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Lecture at the University of West (Jan, 2009)


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Student: I really don't

Culadasa: like talking about myself too much. Marion's pretend,

figure that out. It's time to actually do if a doctor, yeas of help reproduction waiting for seven 30 to come, but figuring that this is, uh, there's, there's no better

Student: time than, than now.

Culadasa: Uh, many of us had the privilege of having listened to Dr. Yang left there in the past, and we're really fortunate that, uh, he has graciously, graciously accepted our invitation to come back.

Student: And, um, Dr. John Jay, who is a PhD and

Culadasa: theology and retired 10 years ago from an academic

Student: career and keeping UL

Culadasa: sciences in Canada,

Student: he's been practicing Buddhist

Culadasa: meditation for 35.

Student: And 32 years ago, took

Culadasa: ordination as a dedicated lane practitioner

Student: taking the name of possibly

Culadasa: Chula. DASA is principled to get through.

I've been with pasta because FEMA Nundah and who work themselves paint and both the

Student: Parabon and the 10

Culadasa: Carmack conduits produce them as part of the lineage of the . The pair of orange speaker was also recognized by a 16 year Karmapa as the Toku of general, who possibly to a thousand now leads a contemplation of life and semis the collusion and a remote area and analysis of Southern Arizona and conduct weekly meditation Donilon class in Tucson, and especially pertinent to our perfect light.

Um, during

Student: happy to now, is that a

Culadasa: true Dr. Yates about other patients who

Student: are seriously considering. Um, the possibility of conducting, uh,

Culadasa: maybe we can repeat, uh, solely for the purpose of painting our

Student: chaplains linens barriers and in fact .

Culadasa: And so that, uh, is at least my sincere hope that we'll see

Student: more of you, you know, and then, you know, you'll be bringing more of your activities to Southern California.

Thank you.

Culadasa: Need to update the numbers on that one.

Student: 37 years

Culadasa: retired called years ago, but I'm not a day old. It

Student: you've got this very

Culadasa: lovely bending practice. Um, I ended up completely blind, surrounded by mountains in a very secluded area, uh, where many people to, um, uh, extended me for them. If you're interested.

Student: I wonder if you can tell us if that person, uh, pat, the cell is dental management is

is the more your content to become more happy, but then probably doing the right thing. People ask for your pocket. You'll become more aggressive.

I wanted to do. I wanted to sound like everything, you know that, uh .

Culadasa: I mean, you become that kind

Student: of as in your head, you're not an old time.

Culadasa: I really agree with that. Also a, a strong desire for, um, life and a strong [00:05:00] motivation to practice. Uh, those are, those are a good thing, but at some point,

Student: uh,

Culadasa: at some point they can stand in your way and actually at the path, the culminating point of the practice, you have to let go. You you'd have to get, let go of the last vestige, um, uh, grasping to the concept of yourself as, um, somebody who is going to be enlightened sometime or somebody who is going to see that to make the reality thing.

You have to create all the conditions for it to happen. And then you have to go on.

Student: How do I give

Culadasa: up hope to get a good job?

Student: yeah,

Culadasa: actually what, uh, your comments? Uh, something that I, I really want to stress is that

Student: the whole

Culadasa: practice of Buddhism,

Student: I very

Culadasa: definitely, uh, as a culmination

Student: point. All right.

Culadasa: But the entire practice, without exception, every part of it is valuable. It's good in the beginning.

It's good in the middle and it's good in the end, and it will only improve the quality of a person's, uh,

Student: life, uh, and

Culadasa: more, more than one might think. So you really made no more reason than that to practice.

Student: Um, if you, if you

Culadasa: keep preset, if you become a virtuous

Student: person, if you become

Culadasa: a person who doesn't engage them, all speak art, the devices, the, uh, doctor, then idle talk, your life will be dramatically

Student: improved

Culadasa: the way that other people regard you and the stories of circumstances that you find yourself and are going to be drastically different than they would be otherwise.

And the same thing is true, uh, right back then, if you,

Student: if you, uh, refrain

Culadasa: from taking anything that is not yours. Or causing harm to others. And I'm going to be known as recommend recognized as that kind of person you're going to your life is going to enormously improvement. So every aspect of the practice of gratitude yields, it's pretty words immediately and in many ways.

And, um, I think anybody can see that, but if you ask somebody who's practiced in that way, I think you'll get a fairly consistent answer that, uh, the degree to which it positively impacted their life was greater than they would have predicted this just on the basis that, uh, uh, what they would expect in from making that kind of thing.

Student: The

Culadasa: other perfections.

It could be the perfection of generosity was kind of help to help enormously, to make a person aware of their own desire and their own attachments and the things that they're attached to

Student: and

Culadasa: practice properly, helping a person to recognize the arising of grieve in their mind, and to see if they can let go of that.

I replace desire with the desire listener, but then take the further step of arousing, uh, generosity,

Student: uh, loving kindness.

Culadasa: Likewise, the practice practices, patience. The practice of past-tense is an opportunity for a person to discover the root of ill will and a. In their mind to recognize that those, those mental states and those emotional states do not serve them in any way,

Student: uh, and

Culadasa: learn to let go of perversion and [00:10:00] ill will, and then perhaps not only let go of it, but to replace it with loving kindness, with compassionate,

this is as far as anybody, God, on the Buddhist path, big would enjoy a wonderful fruit.

Student: So, um,

Culadasa: you know, it's right from the beginning, it's a, it's a wind situation all the way, even with the practice of meditation. Uh, initially it can be challenging. You know, you sit and meditate and you experienced bodily pain.

You experienced the restlessness of the mind you experience, uh, or the rising of desire. Uh, you experience all the various kinds of self judgements and frustrating, but if you allow yourself to get beyond that initial state and again, to enjoy the preacher, that even if you don't achieve the wakening to have a, a mind that has developed those characteristics of a concentrate and in mindful awareness, it's a wonderful thing.

It contributes to the quality of your life in every

Student: way, but nevertheless, they all

Culadasa: go

Student: VOA. Can I?

Culadasa: And some people, I think, unfortunately,

Student: Uh,

Culadasa: it's difficult for them to imagine that that ultimate goal is really attainable for themselves. Spend a

Student: lot of, uh,

Culadasa: a lot of things that have happened since the time of the Buddha.

Student: And, um,

Culadasa: it's kind of to be a lot of doubt whether, you know, uh, it's still, it's still possible to have our hotspot in the world and whether people can still achieve enlightenment.

Student: Um, uh,

Culadasa: that's very unfortunate because I think everyone and I think everyone should try.

And I think it's far more attainable than, uh, you're, you're likely to be live to believe

Student: and, uh,

Culadasa: go, go for the final, go, go, go for it with. Which means practice, you know, that he is wonderful. He's wonderful. But data practice.

Student: Anyway, maybe we'll

Culadasa: talk a little bit about what I think the answer to the question is, what is the cracks I've alluded to the loss of

Student: it's interesting. Uh,

Culadasa: the Buddhist, very first thing

Student: he taught the, uh,

Culadasa: uh, he taught the, uh,

it's called a, it's called the, uh, seeker on the, uh, earning of the karma wheel. He talked to four noble throughs and the eightfold path. So his very first teaching was entirely past them that I don't know if that's occurred to you or not. It's hard to find anything in that suit that he would regard as a philosophy

Student: pretty straight, partly

Culadasa: really just bad facts, but I understand that you have to understand that. So you have to understand the meaning of the word Duca, which, uh, has a much, much broader meaning grand just stuck. Right? And so it incompetence,

incompetence, all of the things that make human existence, the imperfect experience that it is. And he taught the, uh, the cause of that was craving. And he taught this test eight and of that was the best day for him. And he talks to the path leading to the basement. So he started out, it was all path and method.

Student: It's very indexed. The chain was on, uh,

Culadasa: not spelled. And this is what I would identify as the practice of Buddhist philosophy as a concept. But on that top,

Student: not cell

at the time of the Buddha [00:15:00]

Culadasa: and the present time, the well

Student: people

Culadasa: turn to this question, let's tell, and it tends to be posed. Is the cell,

Student: uh, permanent eternal?

Culadasa: Is that the idea of this.

Student: Or

Culadasa: is the cell tapping that, uh, due to an isolation,

Student: the, uh,

Culadasa: philosophical tool at the time, how does Buddha we're dealing with this question related questions? You know, there's the universe eternal, the universe created

Student: will the universe have in hand?

Culadasa: These are all philosophical question, not a physical question.

Student: The interesting thing

Culadasa: about the teaching of IFA

Student: is the

Culadasa: way that it completely and pans both of the. These ideas that tend to compete with each other, that we have some kind of empty Colonel abiding soul, whether it's always been there or whether it's created and that it will survive the death of the body

Student: or

Culadasa: that when the body dies, that whatever self soul that we

Student: have will die and be

Culadasa: destroyed with it, this is the way that this is appears to be the only alternative is either survives or investment.

Student: And then there's all

Culadasa: sorts of complicated questions that you can ask. Well, if it's their vibe, then how does it provide if it's the eternal. Does it have its own self nature. It has its own self nature. And, uh, that means that it can't Andrew react with anything else. So, you know, he didn't get lovely stuff that fills Phil's book.

Uh, Bill's parents, current papers, um, Phil's classrooms and all that, but

Student: is that, and of

Culadasa: course it has all sorts of, uh, moral implications because, uh, uh, know if there's a permanent inviting soul, then let you do, uh, has been really big long-term

Student: consequences.

Culadasa: The other, the, the other alternative is, uh, um, it's all ordered with when you die.

And that lends itself very much to an amoral interpretation. If this is all there is,

Student: I

Culadasa: might as well get everything I can out of it right now. Not

Student: wasted.

Culadasa: Both of these views have moral implications. Both of these views are really inherent problems with them.

Student: And the Buddha is first

Culadasa: philosophical was first

Student: time was the self

Culadasa: is going to leave him.

It's not a question of whether he is permanent and abiding and devise academic. It's not a question of whether the self is something that is, uh, that exit now. And, but there's going to be destroyed at the time of death. All of the, all of the questions, both of them. And now the modern views on same question, same thing.

They don't question the existence of the stuff doesn't occur usually.

Student: And

Culadasa: that's why I'm fortunate because when you don't consider that as a possibility. You don't discover the really incredible, uh, answer to that can come.

Student: What is a cell?

The cell is out of the

Culadasa: totality of what is it just part of that? So Tallahassee that is separated out the spell is a line or boundary that separates reality into two parts and

Student: not the,[00:20:00]

Culadasa: and we're concerned about it because we have offensive and we'd have ideas.

Student: You all have

Culadasa: an idea, a concept then yourself, there is a self as a personality and as a personality construct, the ideas of who you are, what you are, you're at all the different, all the different attributes that make up your identity.

Student: Uh,

Culadasa: it's something that you can look at and examine. Uh, but actually when you start trying to describe yourself, uh, you might find that it's not as easy as you thought, but you go through your life with this pen. Uh, I am a filler and there's this whole collection of attributes that make up this.

Uh, you react very strongly when those attributes to the way you see them are challenged by someone

Student: else.

Culadasa: Part of that sense with fel expand, uh, to property.

Student: Yeah. In addition

Culadasa: to the concept you have of who you are, the kind of person you are, the things you like, and don't like, and everything else, there are things that belong to you and you react when something happens to

Student: those things.

Culadasa: And there's this professional note, then this is mine and it's important to me. And if I lose it, I'll leave. And if you interfered with it, I'll get mad at you.

Student: We have

Culadasa: a, as a part of that whole thing, we have a chance to have a kind of personal faith would feel so violated if we can call them and find there's nobody broken into our house, our face has been bottled,

Student: or if our person

Culadasa: is violating in

Student: some way.

So

Culadasa: the point is there is something that we can look at that we, that we all experienced or something that we can look at that we can examine. Um, we can recognize that it has the nature of being a construct. I collected on ideas, the concepts, uh, intimate being a little bit, a lot of different, uh, emotional content feeling.

Student: Um,

Culadasa: and if we don't look too closely, that's probably our. I spent in the south

Student: as children,

Culadasa: somewhere between childhood and adulthood, we probably stop viewing the body

Student: by much Val,

but we really keep

Culadasa: on regarding our mind as self. And our line is where this whole collection of ideas we'll do. We are, yes. We start examining that more closely. We'll find that,

Student: um,

Culadasa: the mind doesn't even generate the same cell, uh, from one time of date for the next it's very much situationally dependent.

You have different cells that emerge in different situations can be different. I am that prospect is Belle. Taser is going to be different 10 years from now than it is now is different than it was 10 years ago.

Student: It's just a fabrication.

Culadasa: That's not that difficult to come to understand that and to see you as a patient.

So if we just tell you this business, a mental construct and restate it. Yeah. The mind acid mechanism that it assembled an idea fell, you call it, the ego has here useful. It's

Student: very important. It's

Culadasa: very difficult to function in the

Student: world

Culadasa: without, with, with a mind that's not capable of reading these times because they are.

But if we start looking for this bell, we might redraw the boundary, recognizing those darts for what they are and saying that they're not really as Dell. [00:25:00] And so we'll add them to not sell, but we're still left with something that's Bearfield like darling, they put feeling as though

Student: feeling of film

most

Culadasa: apparent when there is an experience of pain or

Student: pleasure. We experienced though,

just,

Culadasa: just re just reflect for

Student: a moment just when, when

Culadasa: you are experiencing pain, you have very clear

Student: answers. Still.

Culadasa: Here's another interesting.

Probably distinctive Phil that arises in your

Student: mind

Culadasa: and response to the experience of pain is absolutely indistinguishable from what arises in anybody else's

Student: mind.

Culadasa: Does that not an interesting thought that

Student: examine your own

Culadasa: there's potential itself that we're talking about. And if the sense is to, there really is devoid of all of these attributes that we've already examined and the collection of attributes that made up those that cause this bell, uh, we've seen that, uh, all of that collection of attributes could be moved into the category of Knoxville.

And once we have this sense itself, the blend put out all the attributes. There's not really anything to distinguish it, the way you experience it from the way anybody else. I mean, this is not something that we can easily go do an experiment and verified, right. If he has as a thought experiment, can you not imagine that probably that sense of belts that arises and the experience of pain is probably pretty much the same

Student: for everyone.

What do you think?

I guess

Culadasa: my mind immediately goes to the neurons and brain structures then, um, for a finite, uh, constructions, there has to be some limitations and boundaries in that. And I mean, if I was to poke my hand and then if Dr. Through is to focus in, I imagine that the same similar part of the brain is going to light up.

And then there's the gap between experience and that physical effect. I'm not sure how to bridge that. We the brain seems to be firing up that's right. And this is where this is where the science and, uh,

Student: and

Culadasa: the thought experiments, uh, tend to produce the same result. Like has

same neurotransmitters are really saying parts of the brain are activated. And if we examine that experience ourselves, um, and I'm just, you know, uh, something that you can meditate on, but, uh, I'm not just saying, uh, the experience of pain is to experience itself. Let's just pose gated with a feeling of what the experience of pain.

It's the feeling of Belle and I, or I am experiencing this pain. Anything with pleasure.

Student: My pleasure

Culadasa: have now here, if we get to the really

Student: important. The way your mind reacts to that.

That's what's called craving.

Raving

Culadasa: is dependent upon this cause dome

Student: and the

Culadasa: arising of craving and response, but pain is very much related to this pesticide. And then what happens when vaping arises craving either in the form of wanting to paint more of the pleasure or wanting to bring it into or avoid the pain, it leads to another mental prospect.

You've already reified. Your senses. Bell is experiencing the pain and then you reapply.

Student: Yeah, reapply.

Culadasa: I mean, you make real, you reify the perceived object, which you identify as the court has applied for at night.

Student: So

Culadasa: pretty sure here. Okay. Let's, let's continue to look at the, the, at the stamp itself, just to understand that a lot more,[00:30:00]

Student: if you

Culadasa: penetrate a little more deeply into your subjective experience, answer this bench, this bell you'll find there

Student: is,

Culadasa: there is a layer at which it exists, uh, that is independent of the experience of a Pfizer. Pleasure pain are really easy ways of bringing, uh, bringing about this, uh, uh,

Student: cell. But

Culadasa: if you examine very, very closely, you'll find that you have this sense of separate existence of being the experience, or even, even when it's not involving pleasure

Student: and pain.

So we

Culadasa: can tell you that

Student: itself, the

Culadasa: fact that we experienced it as human beings has, first of all, this constructed level with the easiest one to understand, but it also has this feeling level, this belt

Student: that

Culadasa: tends to be quite pervasive.

Student: If we go over.

Culadasa: To the question of awakening, uh, and

Student: to suffering. Yeah.

Culadasa: Awakening is related to this statement. The suffering and suffering is caused by paving in the face of back. Burning is related to this based in craving

Student: than

what

Culadasa: you find is that it's very, very difficult

Student: to overcome

Culadasa: craving as long as there is this sense of yourself, whenever you experience pleasure and pain, it's going to be this strong sense of self, which is going to lead to actions and actions that are unloved constantly. Some of the most important actions that take place though is the reification of the cell.

Cause the reification of the objects. And here we get into the philosophical

Student: domain.

If you take

Culadasa: reality and you've partitioned at emphas dolphin, Nolensville, and then you began penetrating deeper and deeper and taking, uh, what you had regarded as self before and putting it into the category of non sell so that the category has self gets smaller and smaller and

Student: smaller.

Culadasa: What's going to happen when the category itself gets those politics and things.

Nothing.

I thought the answer that was obvious you ended up with. Undifferentiated everything was removed our fundamental division. And whether you really want to call it business

Student: experience,

Culadasa: this text message undifferentiated totality, uh, all you have to do is get rid of this mind, created division, this feeling that that distinguishes itself from Lonzo and watch the self disappears. Then you've got oneness is the end of the kind of duality, the duality of

Student: it's when we

Culadasa: examine carefully. And we discovered that the spill is a

Student: contract

that, uh,

Culadasa: It is against to raise a number of interesting possibilities. First, let me tell you how, how that comes about now. How, how is it that you discovered itself as a concept?

Student: Well, first of all, it's easy

Culadasa: to see that, uh, you know, that the fabricated conceptual construct of style, the personality, that's pretty easy to see through.

You can intellectually examine that. And then through the practice of mindful awareness of self observation, uh, you can, you can pretty quickly, they kind of [00:35:00] satisfies it. It indeed is not something that exists from its own guide that it is indeed produced by the mind. It's flexible. It's constantly rearranging itself.

It doesn't have, that's the nature of.

Student: Then also

Culadasa: through meditation practice,

Student: you can

Culadasa: discover that this

Student: sense of bell

Culadasa: is not always there. Well, you can even discover that in ordinary daily lives you've had experiences. Sometimes you're so engrossed in watching a movie or some other activity, but there was absolutely no, the rareness, how this Deborah itself, the sense of self was not there and meditation, and you'll find, you'll find it coming and going.

It's not there. And then here it is again, that's, it's not there. And what becomes really clear is that

Student: that

Culadasa: it's not, it's not essential. It doesn't always have to be there. It comes and goes, but other times even more expensive. Yes, it's pretty invasive is the word that I've used. It's a feeling. It's a statement.

Just like any other feeling that has been produced by your mind. Anchors is a feeling for your spot. Your mind, badness is a feeling produced by your mind. There are a lot of different feelings produced by your mind. You can come to recognize them for what they are even lost them arise. Amen. We need healthy pains and you've been watched and passed away.

You can come to know their causes and you can come to clearly understand what they are. It's just, it's just a feeling. It's just something that mind fabricate known to conscious awareness through directly through the mind, the mind span, but functioning the same way you needed a physical defense. So it's just the test object and its particular time.

This kind of object. It's one that actually produced by.

So in the United States, you can, Tom, I understand more and more that even the sense of cell, although it vividly when it's there, it seems just as real as anything could possibly do this, the pollen, but you can answer recognize through direct experience.

Student: You want screen age. There is,

Culadasa: and you can see that when the attacked by that match itself, not to mention that construct of ideas that causes the move to me when we think of it as tough. But when you can overcome the belief and the attachment, it was not developed, you will be

Student: profoundly different.

You'll be

Culadasa: liberated from the compulsive need to act and to a craving. And instead of just the craving that is impermanent, totally driven by the most, much, uh, sensations of pain and

Student: pleasure. So

Culadasa: it's a pack deliberation also, though it goes beyond that. When you start to discover

Student: that

Culadasa: things or fabrications of the mind, you might also start to discover that this is true of all things.

Student: So on a top

Culadasa: being the absence of order, the negation of the. The bell, just thing

Student: fell right

Culadasa: on upon the knives down on top. It was the recognition that that is an illusion, but it extends beyond that. We easily experienced the world as made up of the screen independently, existing hops or objects that seem to have a sort of quality of temporarily enduring from their own side.

Student: But as we

Culadasa: penetrate more deeply and to examining these things, we find that there's not really a basis for that.[00:40:00]

We find that if, when we examine this stance booth, All of the senses ever delivered to it

Student: is

Culadasa: a constant block, constant pain,

Student: never

Culadasa: too instant, the same.

Student: And

Culadasa: yet what our minds do is extract from that constant block of data patterns. And then our minds create an idea of reality, a model of reality, to explain those Ben statements, those patterns with containment, and to predict 10 stations in the Pittsburgh answer, draw relationship between actions or intentions and

And so the very idea

Student: on a top

Culadasa: extends beyond. The independently is good thing. Uh, nature of the spelt that we perceive ourselves to be, but a little bit of practice and a little bit of careful examination. And we begin to discover it and discover that exactly the same process generates the appearance of a world, the way we experienced it,

Student: that our mind generates

Culadasa: eye contact a reality, which we believe.

Yeah. And if we expect it as selfish, distantly real in the same way that we expect ourselves, and we're

Student: really trapped here, am I, and

here's

Culadasa: this world a thing, and they exist from their own side and I exist the miles.

Student: If

Culadasa: I don't like what's happening, I'm just really outlet. That has no matter how hard I cry. I'm never going to manipulate this whole world of self existing objects to completely meet my days. And worse than that, I realized that my body is part of this uncontrollable unmanageable world of self existent object.

And it's going to experience pain, get sick age and die. So I didn't really, I didn't really, I didn't in a really bad situation. On the other hand, if I can come to understand that hot, it created this whole situation in my mind that I should, I couldn't say I've created it. That's where we're falling into the same illusion.

When you use language like that. Ordinary everyday language aren't blind has created this whole situation. My mind has created self and my mind has created this world of objects. And, uh, so,

Student: uh,

once I

Culadasa: recognize that if I can figure it out, how my mind goes about the ADF, I have hope I have chance. Well, maybe it's rather than the way that happens is, is all verbal or non now what this, isn't it as philosophical view, this isn't a solipsism. This isn't the idea that the whole universe is created in my mind.

And it's really nothing outside my mind. That's not like this.

And there's really good reasons which I'm 30. You can go into with, uh, Dr. Chu about why those kinds of notions don't hold. But the Thursday is, uh,

Student: our

Culadasa: previous experiences.

Student: The

Culadasa: all of the concepts that we have generated and carry around in our mind, based on those previous experiences,

Student: all of

Culadasa: our dahlias and value Douglas

Student: power, mental states, and our

Culadasa: medical predisposition are going to permit moment to moment. What kinds of reality our minds generate and what kind of stealth is going to explain the results of that.

Student: And,

Culadasa: uh, these are all alterable go back there and talking about practicing the, uh, practicing the perfect perfectionism. If you can come to realize that when you experienced mental states that are designed for. That it determines what [00:45:00] you plea and what you ignore, what you hear and what you ignore, what you feel and what you ignore.

You determines how you react to that. What does the answer you're processing? It determines the actions that you engage in as a result of that

Student: experience.

Culadasa: And it perpetuates Netflix faith and, uh, event that contributes to your perspective of reality or their death. Same thing you are then Andy kind of state of

Student: yeah. Will,

Culadasa: it's got a department. What you see and how you see it.

Student: You take,

Culadasa: you take different people with them in different, and then in the same situation and they have completely different experiences.

That's the empty. Uh, experience the deeper we go. You know, initially it can be simple. Like to me, this is beautiful. You think it's the ugliest thing in the world. So this is the empty of any intrinsic property of the year. Ugliness.

Student: Um,

Culadasa: they're standing on the beach together, watching the sunset and, um, your mother died yesterday morning and, uh, uh,

Student: they

Culadasa: really woman I then spoke fascinated with, for the last six months, told me that he was going to marry me at the same time your mother died.

Are we going to have the same experience? No. And are they completely there they go into it more deeply than that. And the difference in the way you perceive. Any situation, any object, any person in any circumstances and the way I perceive it is there this whole collection of top, in our mind that we bring to the fitspiration and all of our predisposition.

So you can see the reality, he was empty and very important ways of being sort of self-consistent matrix being the way we perceive her equal, keep pushing the limits more and more and more all the way down to the point of everybody in this room will agree that this was a solid object, except somebody who's done a course in physics and says, well, actually it's not it's 99.9, 9% of it state.

Student: Um,

Culadasa: so this is why I would put.

I'll just summarize this. I would put on a avatar as the crack, a Buddhist philosophy is that first of all, as soon as you try to bring understanding to the workings of the path that the Buddha taught, which I do believe will work just as well, because you never philosophize, but is there any attempt to bring organized on the damage to that?

You're going to see the nature of the relationship between craving and the expensive

Student: stuff.

Culadasa: Um, and then of course, if you want to understand the higher stages of the path is going to give you the answer there, there at the first stage of the path of a planning,

Student: renter,

Culadasa: you have that experience of a non.

Seamless reality by which every last is cell has been removed. And so when the sense of self returned

Student: as it will,

Culadasa: you know, better, you'll still have it, but you know, better, you still have all conditioning that goes with that because it tends to sell is still there. It will still, when you encountered circumstances by during paint produced

Student: craving,

Culadasa: but there is a wisdom understanding that this the cell is not the reality that it seems to be.

Student: And then as, as the RDN

Culadasa: practices, the discipline has progressed through the higher David.

The fence, because bell not the belief that's already gone. Let's see the rising of the stem cell as a raid related or rising of craving [00:50:00] become greatly diminished. And the

Student: lot's returner

that

Culadasa: is bell that arises and really that's very experience, particularly pain and

Student: pleasure is abolished

Culadasa: and the

Student: non returner.

Culadasa: And so at that at coinciding, with

Student: that

Culadasa: is the disappearance of the craving or all, all central credit paving or things of offensive. And they go together,

Student: they

Culadasa: support each other and to remove the one, the other has to be.

Student: But, uh,

Culadasa: the noble person who has eliminated essential craving is also free be that is dependent upon experienced applied pain. And likewise one who has eliminated that, uh, thanks to self that arises in associated somewhere. Central experience is pretty reclaiming. What is left at this stage is that

Student: other

Culadasa: inherent stands out being a separate bill.

That's the pill, but it's that most refined with bell and all the craving that it gives rise to is the craving or continued. As long as there's that sense that being a circuit leaves it, there will be some cleaning that contained the right of that. And it is in the final removal of both of these, the non-return or the Comstar.

Student: So,

Culadasa: okay. So this role with the role that a in the path, and then therefore in understanding that that makes it the qualifies there in my mind, as the cracks to Buddhist philosophy. But the other is, as we continue to play the philosophical game, as we continue to finish, pay it into questions of apology, what actually exists and what does not exist, what is self existence and what is only dependently, what is absolutely existence and what is relatively existence?

Of that aspect of philosophy is coming. There's ultimately coming out of this tiny illogically what can be known and what is only a projection of the

Student: mind.

Culadasa: The Buddhist epistemology comes out of that.

Student: Most remarkably, I would

Culadasa: pause it that Buddhist ethics and morality comes out of that because you've seen

Student: as

Culadasa: long as there exists, then just think for him as long

Student: as the

Culadasa: entirety of what his assessment is divided and Purcell and non. There remains a certain rationale by which this bell can be advantaged by accidents that just advantage the non

Student: the Knoxville.

Culadasa: But once that distinction is removed, there there's absolutely no purpose any longer.

There's absolutely no value function or purpose

Student: in an unwholesome act.

It

Culadasa: makes no more sense than if you were to get a finger off of your right hand so that you could add it onto

Student: your left.

And

Culadasa: if we look at Buddhist morality, what's the simplest. Of, um, a touch Tommy got

Student: Louis morality cause no harm

and acts that caused harm. The

Culadasa: only possible [00:55:00] justification and rationalization requires a division of specimens and through the belt and the Knoxville, the protein itself is done out of pain and advantage apples. Not so once that is eliminated, then there's absolutely no purpose man anymore. Yeah.

Immediately. What comes to mind is the kind of response, honesty and ethics, which is if you were in Nazi Germany, and you have Jewish people in your bathtub, then Nazi comes through the door and just food, a smog. Do you lie to them? You perform that, that. Non-virtuous act to prevent a

and then whatever answer I give to the content, it either release it to, uh, a relative morality or a kind of absolutism that leads to, uh, contradictory

Student: results.

Culadasa: Do I have to answer the phone?

Student: Yeah,

Culadasa: there are all, all of those kinds of questions. One thing about my understanding of the practice of birds to keeping up and the cultivation of morality as a Buddha is that.

Student: It's not

Culadasa: a question of following rules and it's not a question of refining our understanding of the rules so that we can answer every possible situation.

It is a, uh, an unending process, continual,

Student: uh, perfect. Then

Culadasa: we department our own standards. Um, and if we're doing the practice properly, those standards continue to grow and evolve and the direction in which they grow is always in the same direction. So keeping the pre-step of not taking what is not really given you start off.

And it's really obvious. I haven't asked your hand, you know, I couldn't really flip it in my pocket before we leave.

Student: Um, but it.

Culadasa: As, as we cultivate that as we practice that as we in our interactions with, uh, uh, material world and our experience of, uh, uh, I mean wine and a respect for, uh, basically your, your high name.

I, if I learned and I deepened my understanding of that, I may, at some point decide

Student: the, um,

Culadasa: taking a larger patient takes in you is just not the case in my own personal morality and not eating as a pre-sale as would be taking your pants. And as I continue to cultivate this high night, come to the point where I feel like protecting your property is as much a matter of beeping a freaked up as, as not taking risk that.

Student: So

Culadasa: it's a process of continual refinement. I don't believe it requires generalized absolute answers to hypothetical questions. It requires each individual to confront real situations, one after another, in conflict, the best answer, what they can

Student: have the time. And the what's

Culadasa: truly important is not what you did, but why you did it and what you learned

Student: from it.

Um, because

Culadasa: the intention behind your accident makes an imprint on your

Student: mind.

Culadasa: And it's going to determine whether in obvious ways or very. It's going to determine your reaction to feet per situation. So if your practice pain is precepted, your practice being a perfect view, what you're really doing is you're breaking out the process of continually refining your psyche.

Student: What are the roots

Culadasa: of your act and terms of desire and reverted them, and [01:00:00] what are the, what are the consequences of the

Student: accident?

Culadasa: And one of those, one of those consequences is going to be the,

Student: that

Culadasa: whatever the roots and whatever, the degree of mindful awareness you brought for the pasta are going to carry over and repeat and produce a, what we can call a permanent

Student: result.

Culadasa: And so, uh, the practice of virtue, perfection of generosity. Perfect. Okay. These are all the conscious, mindful, uh, creation of karma and most important time to karma, not, not the karma that is going to determine what it is that happens to you in some future life. It's the karma that conditions your mind, and especially the condition of your mind in a sexual way that it pray for pears or the propound awakening.

Anytime you have even a separateness and a .

Student: So

Culadasa: what's important is not what you do decide what you tried to do about the Nazis at the door and the Jews and the backpack, the motivations,

Student: how

Culadasa: consciously, where you became of the motivations and, uh, the consequences. The role that your mindful awareness play, because you see in all of the things that we do

Student: on,

we haven't

Culadasa: experienced the

Student: version.

Culadasa: And, uh, if we are, uh, I think the experience is there and the aversion is there. The causes are there, the aversion is there, but what do you do

Student: about it?

If you

Culadasa: recognize it, make sure you identify that this is something that is not beneficial to the order. They're just the pan. This is something that is not this rising or this diversion does not contribute to my alt low latency. And then if you can clearly see the ASTA clients is there will be a very benefit, the version as new for you.

Well, that's simple arithmetic for your mind. Let's quit doing all the things don't make us feel great. So we experienced a lot of aversion. We don't build it, but if you don't pay attention, that data doesn't get incorporated. So the end and all of the things that you do, if you bring mindful awareness to God, and if you can discriminate to the intentions and the actions that produce positive benefit for results or yourself or others from the, the, uh, rights from whether or not being angry is something that feels good.

It feels bad to use all the various consequences that has on other people.

Student: If

Culadasa: you just aren't mindfully aware about and wisdom spontaneously arises, the wisdom that will modify your future reactant.

Student: That was a digression. I

Culadasa: realize now long ways permanent role with the concept of honest and getting rise player. Hey, moral philosophy. But I always get drawn back into a path to practice Preston. So anything that makes me think that path back, this brings a new dissertation on that.

Student: Anyway,

Culadasa: I think I said enough for now. So anything anyone else would like to say or have

Student: comments? Yeah. Um, as

Culadasa: a doctor physiology, what would you say enlightened experience that you do the body and along with that topic today,

Student: What'd you say that,

Culadasa: what would you say about those around or outside the body as well?

So you

as a physiology and everything theologists. I believe that all of the practice, but especially, uh, the, uh, the path attainment produce, produce changes, structure and the function of the nervous system, your brain functions in a [01:05:00] different,

I can't tell you what that is, but I hope that somebody will research that and figure that out. But I have total confidence. Um, I, there has been a, you're probably familiar with a book change your mind, change your brain. So there has been some, uh, collected research that shows that, uh, meditation practice and, uh, things like that can, uh, can change the director of the brain.

And I believe they do. I believe that the, all of these practices that we talked about, our respect putting our brain and they're as a result, they're also respecting our lives or maybe it's the other way around. They respect in our minds prep for our mind. And as a result, our mind respect as I bring it doesn't really matter.

But I think perspective is the brain is modified and something rather dramatic does happen with a path of pain that I experienced, um, love to know exactly what it is, but I'm sure that it does have a neurological correlate by how B I'll be stoked. The prize. You know, everybody's examined everything, every little thing every now and then the one thing that doesn't have a neurological form that I'll be,

Student: I think that would be your job,

Culadasa: right.

Station

a legit medical perspective.

Thank you. Yeah,

Student: that had the question. How would you describe the role of

story making and

well,

Culadasa: the. This conceptually constructed self of ours really is the story. We're always telling ourselves a story of who we are that plays a really important role in that. And,

Student: um,

Culadasa: and the journey towards Knoxville, uh, the nature of the narrative, the nature of the stories we make up ourselves, uh, changes quite a bit as our understanding grows.

Student: Uh,

Culadasa: I don't know. Did that answer your question?

What are the, what are your thoughts on the pages of this?

Student: The

Culadasa: implications of

Student: realizing

Culadasa: that we're making that a Coke, ah, there, we're making up our personal realities.

Student: Well,

Culadasa: I think what I'd really, I think it has a potential to produce a really dramatic pains in our collected

Student: narrative on our

Culadasa: collective narrative up to now is very much based on the idea that

Student: there is a

Culadasa: world of independently existing objects out there, and that each of us is, uh, uh, independently fill.

And

Student: that,

Culadasa: um, the, our, our, our prime directive is equally as much pleasure and avoid as much pain as possible, but the only way for us to do that, being the social beings that we are is to restrain ourselves to a certain degree and practice a lot of cooperation. That's the existing near. And so out of that narrative, we come as soon as any individual or group of individuals, um, as the power who, uh, I came here late, a lot of pleasure and avoid a lot of pain.

Uh, they do. So I do so right up to the point where the collector puts a stop on it. Um, I mean, and what do we see? We see a world, uh, Fernandez, um, inequities and report that just to give him and, uh, pain and selected. We paid, who I agreed has led to the collapse of the economy in this country, which is kind of a karmic result of what has been driving this whole through for a long time.

Um, the same thing, ill will, uh, resentment, [01:10:00] uh, hatred. We, the war we have, we have a world in which. The percent of individual gratification as law has led us through a drastic situation in terms of exhaustion, a report and,

Student: um,

Culadasa: over overextending, the, uh, the, uh, overextending, the population and parents, it has to find a big thing.

Uh,

Student: and we turn all

Culadasa: of our intellectual resources, towards least pain goals, the deck mining, uh, go towards, uh, uh, finding a better way to, uh, accumulate more of the endless pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of pain at the expense of whoever you've been affording according to ignore or,

Student: or exploited.

I think if the.

I don't think we

Culadasa: have any choice, but for a whole lot of people to, uh, start achieving enlightenment because, uh, you know, it's the next stage in evolution as, uh, in terms of biological evolution, the thesis is incredibly, uh, successful. Um, there's no, no further to go in that direction. Uh, not only that in terms of the problems that exist now, uh, evolution moves

absolutely incredibly through slope. So, uh, our, our collective narrative really has to start proceeding along the same lines as the way our individual narrative does when we take up practices like that. Uh,

Student: And

Culadasa: I, I see us taking up individual practices as being the means by which that collective narrative and we change.

Student: You're welcome.

I

Culadasa: guess everybody's bored. And

I stopped. I'm always told that I talk too much and elderly people, you know, I was hoping to get all kinds of exciting how that's been correcting kind of you, your, your temporary

you said about

Student: the census itself, Justin, I'm not sure. I agree with the part really interesting. When I look at it, as it works in the cord, the body is a cell phone. He elaborated and perceptual, constant that contracts, offices, things from the mental imagery we throw in there and the perception of the model.

And it seems to ask to kind of improve internally in terms of perception of the line, but that the cell is

You know what else?

I mean , I mean, they're essentially moving one solid

Culadasa: block every

Student: moment. And somehow it's an amazing way. Our mind has blocked out most of that and only recognizes that area either. They're ready

Culadasa: to identify people are useful for functional

Student: perception. And, um, I guess you could call it function ignorance, but

that's all that unconscious and then like one area of

Culadasa: sensitivity.

Well, I, I, you know, you said Justin, I understand. Yeah.[01:15:00]

Not Jackson noted because it plays a really, really important role in our being to provide them content, you know, so ugly arrange these forms or some sort of hierarchy or order of intrinsic importance to our functional ability. I think that's the reason that is so pervasive and that is so hard to recognize for its nature

Student: as

Culadasa: only a product of the mind he has ready to go important.

Yes, we come into existence as he was being hardwired. So

Student: what

Culadasa: let's ask yourself is it definitely, you know, it is so important that it can be. I know not to park them

Student: when we need it on

Culadasa: justice, perhaps the right word for many years. But of course, what I meant to say it was that, uh, it is that as opposed to being that self exert existence reality, that we are so likely to think that it is, and then worry about what's going to happen to it after

Student: we die.

I didn't make a very quick, um,

Culadasa: advertisement, if you will, uh, documented, uh, incredibly profound insights and eloquent is not intending, I think truly signs in the area of two people. And so for those of you who are interested, uh, foreseeably, uh, I'm pretty Gainesville. Maybe patient replete individ things.

And so please do sign up quickly because they almost always filled up almost immediately. Right? And two days after a thousand, I was talking about that thing that makes you have to come more frequently, come back, even more V3

on behalf of everyone present. I want you to express very deep gratitude on bridges, sharing these beautiful experiences with us.

Student: Um,

Culadasa: I also sincerely hope that you will continue to play a very active role in the consumer in growth, but the name Buddhists will be later programs on campus,

Student: uh, for those people who are interested, uh, and as

Culadasa: part of, uh, ongoing lecture theory on Ms.

Patient, uh, Mr. Daniel, which, I mean, he's the one who's asked that fear to the box. Uh, we'll be returning to us again tomorrow night and he will

Student: be

Culadasa: giving a talk on.

not. Okay. So it be primarily about formal chat,

right. And, uh, of course there's people present here greatly. It goes through my training was founded investing, uh, around the same time tomorrow. So just so that, you know, uh, since, um, gang goes visit five-year-old mayor until I've decided to, um, having beep to the people like me, I think I should make this announcement and trying to do since not most of the people who go there.

Um, VR criminality, Chinese speakers

because, uh, it was outside so we can buy something. kind of plate now.

Uh,

well, then I can move, uh, uh, the top will be conducted in English. So it's different problem. A usual

and harvest conversation will be offered upon request. So if you feel like there are certain parts of on Daniels, um, lecture preventation, then you find particularly difficult to understand. And I was a patient one time. It has to be like

Student: thanks for

Culadasa: And they're responsible and

I'm chair and doing gear store. Uh, okay. And I'm talking to, that

Student: would be a third teacher, uh,

Culadasa: sharing these with, with, with [01:20:00] asthma on Thursday, Sergeant , uh,

Student: his name is Alan Cook, so hopefully, uh, that'd be welcome. All right then I guess,

Culadasa: around

Student: the box .


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And actually at the at the culminating point of the practice you have you'd have to get let go of the last best page grasping to the concept of yours yourself as somebody who is going to be in enlightened some sometime or somebody who is going to see the two date for the reality thing. You have to create all the conditions for to happen and they have to go. How do I get? Hopefully you you had a go job creating conditions. Yeah. Actually what your comments something that I really want to suggest is that the whole practice of buddhism it very definitely has a culmination point.

Right. But the entire practice without acceptance every part of it is valuable. It's good in the beginning. It's good in the middle and it's good in the end and it will only improve the quality of a person's life. And more so than one mite expect. So really need no more reason than that to practice. If you if you keep preset if you become a virtuous person, If you the become a person who doesn't engage in all speed or the devices being got and I talk. Your life will be dramatically improved. The way that other people regard you and the stories of clerk circumstances that you find yourself in are going to be drastically different than they would be other lives.

And the same thing is through right back and if you if you refrain from taking anything that is not the orders or causing harm to and to be known as and recognized as that kind of person. You're going your life is going to enormously improvement. So every aspect of the the practice of vi yields its rewards immediately and in many ways and I think anybody can see that. But if you ask somebody who's practiced in that way, I think you'll get a fairly consistent answer that the degree to which it positively impacted their life was greater than they would have predicted.

Just just on the basis what they would expected from making that kind of thing. The other perfection, could be the perfection of generosity, which can help to enormously. To make a person aware of their own desire and their own attachment, and the things that they're attached to. And practice properly helping a person to recognize the rising grieve in their mind and to see if they can let go of that and replace desire with desire looking but then take the further step of ar generosity loving kindness.

Likewise the practice of patients. The practice of patients is an opportunity for a person to discover the root of ill wheel and version in their mind. To recognize that those those mental states and those emotional states do not disturb them in any rate. And learn to let go of conversion and bill will, and then perhaps not only let go of it but to replace it with funding kindness with compassion. If this is as far as anybody got on the Buddhist path, they would enjoy a a wonderful fruit. So, you know, it's...

Yeah. Yeah. Right from the beginning, with area, it's a win situation all the way. Even with the practice of meditation, initially, it can be challenging. You sit in Medicaid and you experience bodily pain. You experience some restless of the mine you experience the rising of desire. You experience all the various kinds of self judgments and statements. But if you allow yourself to get beyond that initial stage and begin to enjoy the fruits of that. Even if you don't achieve the awakening to have a mind that has developed those characteristics have concentrate and a mindful for awareness.

It's a wonderful thing. It contributes to the quality of your like way. And some people, I think unfortunately, it's difficult for them to imagine that that the goal was really attainable for themselves. It's been a lot of lot of things that have happened since to big time of the buddha. And there's come to be a lot of doubt whether it's built it's still possible to have our hearts in the world and where the people can still achieve enlightenment met and That's very unfortunate because I think everyone and I think everyone should die.

And I think it's far more attainable. Than you're likely to be lit to believe. And So go go for the final goal. So go for it with gust. Which means practice? You know? That is wonderful. Well this one got packet. Anyway. Maybe we'll talk a little bit about what I think the answer to question. What is the cracks a. Interesting the buddha is very first. He taught the he the But it's called the all the draw on the turning of the arm wheel. You talked to four noble foods in the A old path. So his very first teaching was entirely aspen invested.

I don't know if that occurred to or not. But it's hard to find anything in that sutra Id would regard as philosophy. Really. I understand that you have to understand that you have to understand the meaning of the word D. Which has a much much broader meaning than just. And so it it go It didn't to all of the things that make human exist. And perfect experience that it is. And he taught the the cause of that was craving. Any the statement of that was the first station facing. And he talked the path leading to the.

They started out, it was all half and massive. It's very d was on not felt. And this is where I would identify as they crack buddhist philosophy as the concept on that time. Not sell. At the time of the buddha and and the present time was well, People turn to this part of them bill. And it tends to be posed is the self permanent. Eternal? Is the yeah. Gave us cole. Four. Is the self topping that is due to annihilation. The Philosophical schools at the time of good. We're dealing with this question related questions.

You know, is the university eternal was the universe created. Will the universe have any end. These are all those philosophical questions, not a physical customer. The interesting thing about the teaching your on time. Is the way that... It completely pans both at these these ideas that tend to compete with each hiv that we have some kind of kernel a abiding soul whether it's always been there or whether it's created and that it will survive the depth of the body. Or that when the body dies that whatever stuff though that we have will guy and be destroyed with it.

This is a way that this is appears to be the only alternative it either survives or investment. And then there's all sorts the complicated questions that you can have. Well, if it's survived, then how does it provide? If it's the kernel, does it have its own self nature, It has its own self, and that means that it can't interact with anything else. So you get get lovely stuff that feels, parents time papers, sales classroom got all for down. And of course, it has all sorts of moral implications because if if there's a permanent inviting soul, then what me do, has to really save long consequences.

Yeah the other alternative is that it's all ordered with when you die. And that lends is itself very much to an am oral interpretation if this is all there is. I Might as well, get everything can right now. Not waste moment. So both of these views have moral implications. Both of these views have really inherent problems with them. And the buddha is First philosophical first was the self is an lose. Not a question. Whether the self is permanent and lighting and survives that could cadet. It's not a question of whether the the self is something that is then exist now and but is going to be destroyed at the time of death.

All of the all of the questions both to them and now the modern views on the same question the same thing. They don't question the existence for the stuff. It doesn't occur. Usually it. And that's unfortunate because when you don't consider that as a possibility, you don't discover the really incredible answer that can come. What gives a cell? Stealth is Out of the totality of what is, is just on part of that totality that is separated allen. The stealth is a line or boundary that separate reality into two parts.

Self and knock stuff. And we're concerned about it because we have sense itself and we have ideas stuff. You all have an idea of that i can concept on your yourself. There is a as a personality in as a personality construct. Ideas of who you are, what you are you're all of all different attributes that make back your identity. It's something that you can look at and examine. But actually, when you start trying to describe yourself, you might find that it's not as easy as you hot. But you go stream your life with this temp I am a stealth and there's just whole collection of attributes that they kept it done.

You react very strongly when those attributes the way you see them are challenged by someone else? Part of that sense to felt extends to property. The guess to the concept you have of who you are, what kind of person you are things you like and don't like and everything else. There are things that belong in. And you react when something happens to those things. And there's this don't note. This is mine. And it's important to me. And if I lose it all leave. And if you interfere with it, I'll get mad at here.

We have as a part of that whole thing, we have a sense of a kind of personal state. We feel so violated if we can home and find somebody broken in through our house outside personal space has been model. Or our person is violated in some way. So the point is there is something that we can look at that that we all experience or something that we can look at that we can examine we can recognize that it has the nature of being a construct a collect Ideas the concept. Being a lot of different emotional concept dealing.

And if we don't look too closely, that's probably we are first, Talking. As children? Somewhere between childhood and adulthood, we probably stopped viewing the body much that. But we really keep on regarding our mind as so. And our mind is where this whole collection of ideas have do. We are yes. But if start examining that more closely, we'll find that the mine doesn't even generate the same tends to sell from one time of date to the next. It's very much situational dependent. You have different spells that emerge in different situations to be different needs.

I am that prospect of yourself. Constantly changes it. It's going to be different ten years from now than it is now. Is different tenant it was ten years ago. It's just that fabrication. It's not that difficult to come to understand that. And to see it out as a application. So if we see this as method and restate. Other mind answer. Mechanism that it assembled an idea of fill. To call the ego. Pan is very useful. It's very important. It's very difficult to function down the world without with a mind, that's not capable of creating these constructs because they are functional.

But if we start looking for sell might the boundary recognizing those for what they are and saying that they're not really well. And so we'll have them to not sell. Alright. So we're still left with something that feels like throwing. It's peer stuff. Feeling. Most apparent when there's experience of pain or pleasure. We experience though. Just just just reflect for moment. Just when when you are experiencing pain, you have a very clear sense yourself. Here's another interesting idea. Probably distinctive fill that arises in your mind and response to experience pain.

It as with the indistinguishable arises in anybody else's money. Is that not an interesting thought? That? Examine your own potential itself that we're talking about. And it's it's sense itself their new is deploy of all these attributes that we've already examined and the collection attributes it's been made santos. We've seen that all of that collection of attributes could be moved into the category of knoxville. And once we have this sense itself the left without all the attributes, there's not really anything to distinguish it.

What you experienced it from the way anybody else would. I mean this is not something that we can easily go with from doing experiment and verify, but if you as a experiment. Can you imagine that it probably that sense of delta that arises and experience of pain, probably pretty much the same everyone. Do think. I guess my mine immediately goes to the north smith. Neurons and brain structures and were a finite construct, there has to be some limitations and boundaries in that and Mean if I was to poke my hand and then if fact who to focus in, I mentioned that the same similar part of the brain is going to light up.

Then the gap between experience and that physical effect. I'm not sure how to bridge that, but the brain seems to be firing up but same i That's right. And this is weird this is where the the science and And the thought experiment tend to produce the same result because saying or relief think parts of the brain are activated. And if we examine that experience ourselves, and I'm just don't think you can meditate on, but I'm not just saying the experience of pain is to experience of itself. That's associated again Think.

What the experience of thing. It's the feeling of self and i or i am experiencing a saying. Same with pleasure. My pleasure, And now here, if it's a really important part. The way your mind reacts to that. That's what's called craving. Is dependent upon the stent is itself. And the arising of craving and response obtained is very much related to this basket segment. And then what happens when vaping the right beeping out you're in the form of wanting to obtain more of the pleasure or wanting to bring it into or avoid the pain.

It leads to another mental prospect You've already reap verified your census of cell is experiencing being the pain. And then you ref reapply if, I mean, you make real. You the perceived object which you identify as the source of pleasure and name. So Crucial events here. Okay. Let's let's continue to look at at the itself just I understand polluting more. If you penetrate a little more deeply and see your subject experience. Into the fence itself, You'll find there is. There is a layer at which it exists.

That is independent of the experience of like paying. But pain are really easy ways to bringing bringing about this feeling that myself. But if you examine very, very closely you'll find that we have the sense of separate existence of being the experience or, even even when it's not involving pleasure in pain. So we can say it itself. The felt that we experienced as human beings has first of all this constructed level with the easiest one to understand. But it also has the fee level. That tends to itself.

That tends to be quite. If we go back to the question of awakening and to suffering Yes. Awakening is related to the date. Suffering and suffering is caused by phasing in the phase ten is related to the patient craving. Then what you find is that it's very, very difficult to overcome craving as long as there is itself. Every experienced plate and pain is going to figure this strong sense of stuff, which is going to leave to actions and access lead to consequences. Some of the most important actions that take place though is the rev of the cell of the objects and here we get into the dose philosophical domain.

If you take reality and if partition into to itself and non, menu you begin deeper and deeper and taking what you had regarded as felt before and putting in a category non itself. So that the category is itself gets smaller and smaller and smaller. What's going to happen when the category itself gets those models contains nothing? I thought to answer that was obvious. We end up with an un everything. We've removed our fundamental division and you want to call it Experience. Yes. Effectiveness is un differentiated tele.

All you have to do is get rid of this mine creative division this feeling the distinguishes dealt from on so. And once the self disappears then you've got wetness is the end of the kind of duality, the duality of self and non. It's when we examine carefully and we discovered the cell he a. That it begins to raise a number of interesting possibilities. First let me tell how that comes about? How is it that you discovery itself is a contract? Well, first of all, it's easy to see that the fabricated concept construct of stuff, the personality, that's pretty easy to see You can intellectually examine that.

And then through the practice of meaningful awareness to self off observation. You can pretty quickly become and satisfied Pm p is not something that exists from miss owens guide that it is indeed produced by of mine. It's flexible it's constantly re rearranging me itself. It doesn't have a substantial nature about its own. Now also, through meditation practice, you can discover that this fifth bell. It's not always there. Well, you can even discover that in ordinary daily life. You have had experiences.

Sometimes you're so en in locking a movie or some other activity, but there was absolutely no but awareness not of this different itself. But since self was not there. And meditation and you'll find You'll find it coming and going. It's not there. And here it is been not there. And what it becomes really clear is that that it's it's not essential. It doesn't always have to be there. It comes and goes becomes even more specialized for at some point is it's true nature. It is the word that I used gets a feeling it's a taken.

Just like any other fee that has been produced by your mind. Anger is a feeling for your spider your mind. Bad is a feeling for is by mind? There a lot of different feelings produced by your mind. You can come to recognize them for what they are. And wash arrived, ethan think how they changed and even less than pass the away. You can come to know their causes and you can come to clearly understand what they are. It's just it's just a feeling. It's just something like fabric fabricated. Known to conscious awareness through directly through the line, the mindset, but functioning the same way any the physical fence would.

So it's just the tenth. It's pretty good time it's kinda project. It's one you're actually produced by line. So in in another case and you can tell I understand more and more. That even the sense of cell, although admittedly, when it's there at seems to three was anything could possibly be. Just to call it this deck. But you can recognize street direct Ex experience. Right it's stream h. And you can see that when the attack bank is that itself. Not to mention that of ideas that because of the So like reason when we think of stuff.

But when you can overcome the belief band in the attachment, it was not to develop. You will be profoundly liberated. You'll be liberated from the compulsive need to at in service to trading and the craving that is probably driven by the most primitive sensations of pain pleasure. So it's a packed proliferation. Also though it goes beyond that. When you start to discover that. Things are clarifications of the mine. You might also start to discover that this is true of all things So on off, the the absence of or the mitigation of the stole the self existing cell.

Right Find down. Is the recognition. The that is an illusion. But it extends beyond that. We easily experience the world as made up of the stream and independently existing objects. That seem to have a sort of quality of temporarily enduring from their own side. But as we penetrate more deeply, into to examining these things. We find that there's not really a basis for that. Find that when we examine the sense that all the sensors ever delivered to us is a constant black constant pain. Never two instance the same.

And yet, what our minds do is extract from that constant block of sense data. Pattern and met our minds create an idea of reality and model of reality to explain low been statements those patterns of statements. And to predict statements in the future. And to draw relationship between actions or intentions and sensations experience in a paper And so very idea una time extends beyond the independently is same nature of the stealth that we steve self be. But a little go to practice and little bit of careful we began discovered and discovery that exactly the same cross generates the appearance of the world the way we experience that.

The our mind generates a concept reality, which we believe yet and if we expect it self real, in the same way that we expect myself and we're really trapped. Here, and all And here is his world of thing. And they exist from their own side and I just in my own side. And if I don't like what happening, I'm just really out work no matter how hard a apply i'm never going to manipulate this whole world of self existent objects. To completely meet my needs. And worse than that, I realized that my body's is part of this uncontrollable manageable world of self existent object and it's going to experience pain gifts sick aids or die So I'm didn't really...

I mean, I I'm in a really bad situation. On the other hand, if I can come to understand that i've created this whole situation with my mind. But like, I couldn't say high speed is that's what we're calling it for the same illusion one use language like that. Ordinary everyday language, our buying has created generation. My line has created a and my mind has created this world of object. And so Once I recognize that, if I can figure out how my line goes about the here. I have hope I have a chance what making it depends.

Whether the way what that happens just is all or none. Now what this isn't what it as philosophical view this isn't solid system. This isn't the idea that the whole universe is treated in nine mine and is really nothing outside my mind and I thought And there's really good reasons, which after you can go into with doctor Chu about why those kinds of measurements don't hold. With the first is our previous experiences, the... All of the concepts but we have generated an area around in our mind based on those previous experiences.

All of our values and value judgments. Our mental state and our natural previous predisposition are going to determine Moment a moment, what kind of reality our minds generate and what kind of stealth is going to experience the results of that. And these are all all go back to talking about. Factors the practice tax. If you can come to realize that when you experienced states of desire that it determines what you see and what you ignore what you hear and what you ignore what you feel and what you're.

It determines how you react to that which does answer your conscious awareness. It determines the actions that you engage in as a result of that experience. And it perpetuate ne safe and events. That contribute to your perception of reality they're their death. Same thing. You rn in any kind of state of your will. It's kind determine. What you see how you see it. Take you take different people with them and different the same situation and then they have a completely different experiences. That's for that.

Of experience with. The deeper we go, you know, initially, it can be simple like This is beautiful. You think it's ugliest thing in the world. This is Anthony of any property of Blue Ugly. Standing on the beach together watching a sunset. And where mother die yesterday morning. And they really one that I've been so fascinated with for the last six months told me that he was going marry me. Same time your mother died are we gonna have the same experience? No. Can really completely there. They go into it more deeply data than that.

And the difference in the way you perceive any situation from any, any person in any circumstance and the way I perceive it is through this whole collection of stuff in our mind that we bring to the situation. And all of our previous disease. So you can see that reality is empty they're very important ways, of being sort of self consistent nature pain the way we perceive her. You can keep pushing the limits more and more and more. All the way down to the point of everybody in this room. We'll agree that this was a solid object except somebody who's course some physics.

So lastly, it's not it's ninety nine point ninety nine percent of the state. So this is why I would put on and car. I'll just summarize this buy put on the. As the crux of boost philosophy. Is it. First of all, soon as you try and bring understanding to the workings of the path that to move the time which I do believe will work just as well, as you never. But if there attempt to bring organized understanding the that. You're going to see the nature of the relationship between craving and the expenses of stuff.

And then, of course, if you want to understand the higher stages of the path, it's going to give you the answer there too. At the first phase of the path of the same winter. You have that experience of non dual seamless reality, of which every last vest itself has been removed. And so when the tenth self returned as it will, you know better you'll still have it. But you know better. You still have all conditioning that goes with that. Because the tends to self is still there, it will still when you encounter circumstances of budget paint, produced craving.

But there is a wisdom understanding that this cell is not the reality that it seems to be. And then as as the are practices the discipline that progresses through the higher phases Understand, the tenth have fell, not to believe that's already gone. I think the rising of the stent tell, on the rate related or rising of. Become greatly diminished and the watch return. That is the itself that arises in relationship experience, particularly pain in and pleasure is abolished in the non return. And so at that binding with down.

Is the disappearance of the craving or call essential bathing or things of sensor. And they they go together They support each other and to remove the one, the other has to be reboot. But a noble person who has eliminated essential craving is also free of the of the that is dependent upon experience pleasure pain. And likewise, one who is eliminated. That tends the itself that arises and some central experience is pretty cl What left at This stage is that other inherent sense of being a separate fixed percent to still sense cell.

But it's that most refined test itself. And only craving that it gives rise to is the craving or continued existence. As long as there's sense of being separately himself There will be some cleaning that gets continue rate of that. And it is in the final removal of both of these got the non return comes stock. So... Okay. So this the roll the that. On a place in the path and therefore in understanding the path makes it qualifies in my mind as the cracks buddhist lost to be. But the other is as we continue to play the philosophical game, as we continue to into of oncology, what actually exists and what does is not exist?

What is self existent and what is only independently the existent. What is absolutely existent and what is relatively all of that aspect of philosophy is coming There's ultimately timing this thing. But epi technologically, What can be known and what is only a projection over mind. The comes out of that. Most remarkably, I would pause that buddhist ethics and morality comes out of that. Because you see. As long, as their exists distinction as long as the entirety of what is affects is divided into itself and non felt.

There remains a certain rationale by which The belt can be advanced by acronyms. That just disadvantage the non cell, but not don't. But once that distinction is removed, there is absolutely know purpose any longer. Is absolutely no value function or purpose in an un app. It makes no more sense then if you were to kind to finger off of your right hand so that you could add it on to well. And if we look at buddhist morality, what's the simplest way of what's time got do this morality? Cause no harm.

And acts that cause harm. They're only possible justified and an requires a division of effectiveness into the itself and the knock of the perceive itself in the out. A pain an advantage at that knocked off. Once that is, then there's absolutely no back anymore. Immediately what comes to mind is like kind of responsive ethics which is if you were in Nazi Germany and you have two people in your bathtub and not to comes through the door and just buddhist luck. Do you lie to them? You perform that that non vi act to present a absolute isn't in the horse the greater i success of these.

And then whatever answer, I guess to the it either release it to a relative morality or a kind of absolute that leads to contradictory victory result. Think you gave There are all of those kinds of questions one thing about my understanding of the practice of virtually keeping pre stuff and the cultivation of morality as of buddha. That it's not a question of following rules and it's not a question refining our understanding of the rules so that we can answer every possible situation. It it is a an process of continual perspective.

We determine our own standards. And if we're doing the practice properly, those standards continue to grow and evolve. And the direction in which they grow is always in the same direction so that. Keeping paying the feeds up of not taking what is is not really given. You start off and it's really obvious and after your pin, you know, I couldn't really flip it into my pocket and probably reading. But it and as we cultivate that as we practice that as we begin our interactions with the material world and our experience I mainline and respect for basically respect your high knee if I learned and I deepen my understanding of that I may at some point besides that taking a larger piece in cake for you is just like case in in my own personal morality, they not anything of pre as would be taking your pen.

And as I continue to cultivate this I kind of the point where I feel like protecting your property. Is as much a matter of keeping a as as not taking recovery. So It's a process of continual refinement, I don't believe it requires generalized absolute answers to hypothetical questions. It requires each individual to confront real situations one after another and talk with the best answer what they can at the time. And the... What's truly important is not what you need dear, but why you did it and what you learned from it.

Because the intention behind your accident makes an imprint on your line. And it's going to determine whether in obvious ways are very subtle away, it's going to determine your reaction to future situations. So if you're practicing it this pre that your practice saying that perfect the virtue, what you're really doing is you're carrying out a process of continually refining your sky. What are the root of your act? Terms the the desire avert. And what are the what are the consequences of the accident?

And one of those one of those consequences is going to be that whatever the roots and what degree mindful awareness, you brought to the pasta are going to terry green the repeat and for there's what we can call retirement result. And so, the practice of virtually protects their generosity patients. These are all the conscious mindful creation and pharma the most important kind of pharma, not the car that's gonna term whether this to that happens to you some future like. It's the karma that conditions your mind and especially the conditions lines will fluctuate repairs line or pound a await inning from the myself and some near of separate and talking yellow.

So what's important is not what you do decide what you tried to do about the not be at the door in the James the advance. But the motivations, how consciously where you able of the motivate them and the consequences have your role in your mindful awareness play because you speak. In all the things that we do. We have an experienced burden And if we are... I mean, the experiences there. The version is there. The causes are there the version is there. But what do you do about it? If you recognize it, if you identify that, this is nothing that is not beneficial to need or others and if the something that is not raising of this diversion does not contribute to my ultimate wait And then if you clearly see the cost visibility a very benefit.

Version doesn't you feel good. Well, that's simple arithmetic for your mind. Like quit doing all things don't make this feel good. So we experience a lot of version we don't build it. But if you don't pay attention, that data doesn't get incorporated. So... And and all of the things that you do if you bring mine for awareness too go. And if you can discriminate between the intentions and the actions that produce positive beneficial results, or still for others from the be right from weather or not?

Being angry it's something mean feels good. It feels bad through all the various consequences that it have on other people. If you just are mindful aware of that, and wisdom spontaneously arises. Wisdom that will modifying your future reaction and think their behavior. That was the digress kind a realized now long race. Roll. The concept of Ana and getting rights by rate more philosophy, but it's I always get drawn back into pack practice questions. So anything that makes me think that just brings in block.

This take out that. Anyway, I think I've said enough for now. So anything anyone else would like to say or have? Okay. Yes. And back to el. What would you say and letting any experience the the body and along with that. Topic today. Would you say that what would you say that the around or outside the body as well. You? Quickly the preface but as a anesthesiologist. So yeah. As anesthesiologist, I believe that all of the practice but especially the tax attainment. Produced produced changes and the structure and the function of the nervous system.

Your brain functions different. I can't tell you what that is, but I hope that somebody will research that and you that out. But I have total confidence. There has been you're probably familiar with change your mind change bringing. So there has been some collected research that shows that meditation practice and things like that can can change the structure the brain. And I believe they do. I believe that all of these practices that we talked about are our brain. And as a result, they're also respecting our not or maybe it's the other way around they respect in our minds structure mind and as a result, our mind structure doesn't really matter.

But I think the structure of the brain is modified. And something rather dramatic does happen with passive payment experience. Love to know exactly what it is. But I'm sure that it does have a neurological correlate. I'll be I'll be both surprised that already, you know, eventually after everybody's examined everything and every little thing ever know that they up. One thing that the each the argument just doesn't have a neurological for. Obviously different guys. I think that would be your child's right participation.

To green medical perspective really made background. Other question? Yes. I would just to describe the role. Alright. Making. Well, is conceptually constructed itself from ours really gives the story. We we're always selling ourselves the story of we we are. The plays are really important role in down. And and the journey toward is not, the nature of the narrative of the nature of the story we make up to dry. Changes quite a bit as our understanding grows. I don't know did that answer your question?

Yes. Think the second part connecting was what is thousand of. The implications of realizing that we're making that of. They were making up our personal realities all the time. Well, I think what I'd really I think it has a potential to produce a really dramatic obtained in our collective narrative. Our collective narrative up to now is very much based on the idea that there is we're all independently just objects out there and that each of us i'm independently used himself. And that the our prime directive is that is not pleasure and avoided as not pain as possible.

But it's the only way for us to do that being the social beams that we are is to retain ourselves to a certain degree and practice a lot of cooperation. That's the existing narrative. And so out of that narrative, we come know, as assume as any individual or group of individuals has the power to accumulate a lot of pleasure and avoid a lot of pain. They do so. I do so right up to the point where the collector puts a stop on it. I mean, and what do we see we see girl fernandez in inequities and report with just reducing.

And pain i could we like Greed has led to the collapse of the economy in the country, which is kind of a current result of what has been driving this ultimately for a long time. The same thing, ill will resentment hatred needs the war. We have a world in which the pursuit of individual gratification has left has led us through drastic situation in terms of exhaust resources and over extending the capacity over extending and population in terms capacity to sustain. And we turn all of our intellectual resources or is least same gold.

Right, the the deaf mine go towards finding better ways to accumulate more of the analyst pursuit of a pleasure and avoidance to paint. At the expensive whoever you been according to ignore or or exploit. I think if the I don't think we have any choice, but for a whole lot of people to start achieving enlightenment because know, it's it's the next stage and evolution in terms of biological evolution the species is incredibly successful. There's no further to go in that direction, not in terms of the problems that exist now.

Evolution moves that absolutely incredibly too slow. So i our collective narrative really has to start proceeding along the same lines as way our individual narrative does when we take practices like that. And I I see us taking up individual practices as being means by which that collective narrative and we changed. You're welcome. I guess, everybody's bored and tired always told that hi thanks. I talked too much and I'll with two. I was all answer Participating. Your temporary consequences interrupted I I observation way back earlier something you said about the sense itself being just in early to say.

I'm not sure I agree with the part. It's really interesting. Because when I look at it. It isn't as it word through the quarter to device. You so. If there's something think from any the office distinct from the mental engineering we throw in there and the perception of the loan. And It seems ask kind of quick. Mh internally, terms of life. But that to itself is essentially just to office is you know trust census i mean every sends to i mean are essentially moving one solid block in every moment of his.

And somehow, Our mind has blocked out of that and only recognizes that certain areas that is either related to or use functional perception. And all that unconsciously, it's just like one area for like focus line i Well, I I would... You, you said just another. Not just another because it it plays are really really important role and i ability it to provide function, you know, so if we were arrange these things some sort hire or order of intrinsic importance to high functional ability I think that's a reason that it is so pervasive and that it is so hard to...

Recognized for its nature as only a product of the mine. Yes that it is so important. Yes. We come into existence and even deemed hardwired, so was that with the sensor stuff is definitely gonna, you know, it it is totally important said it can't afford I not to park when we need it. Jeff isn't right. Perhaps the right way for me they you have use. But that. Of course, what I meant to say is that it is that as opposed to being that self existing reality that we are so likely to think that it is and then worry about what's going to happen to it after we die.

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