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Piti (Joy)


Q&A: What should one do when Piti arises?

Piti is a very specific joy associated with a state of deep tranquillity. It is often translated with the English words “joy” or “rapture” and is distinguished from the longer-lasting meditative “pleasure” or “happiness” (Pali, Sanrkit: sukha) that arises along with piti. Master Culadasa discusses how it arises and what to do when it does.

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Student: It. So switching the subject a little bit when you're like, this is a technical meditation question. When you're invited, when you're meditating and say PT comes up, what's the instruction there. You just watch it and have equanimity with it and wait until it settles into.

Culadasa: Yeah, allow it to, yes, it's just, okay.

The question is when you're in meditation, thank you very much that when you're in meditation and PT comes up, what is the proper way to react to it? When it first begins to come up, the most important thing is to keep on doing what caused it to come up with joy, meditative. Sorry. I am happiness.

Literally they were TT. Veenstra. But in meditation, it's also a company by appearance of a light often sometimes by sound very often by sensations of energy moving in the body. So from a technical point of view, all of these are part of PT, but the essence of PT is the Joanne that is amongst the first, then the last aspect of it.

So when Fiji first begins to arise, what's most important is to keep on doing what caused it to arise and allow it to, to strengthen. But that doesn't mean ignoring it because the experience of that joy and. Is going to, it has the effect of further enhancing your ability to focus and to stay clear.

The joy itself keeps you alert and the happiness makes it easier for your mind to stay focused. So you don't totally disregard it, but you don't leave what you're doing and go focus on the PT right here. When it becomes strong enough, sometimes you can do that. And you can practice a light form of the jhanas when the 50 becomes, when you're mom.

When the PT comes and you feel it there, and your mind is quite focused and still then you can abandon the breath can take the pleasantness is take the pleasantness, maybe take pleasantness located somewhere in their body, or maybe just take that feeling of happiness. That seems to be rising in your mind and make that your meditation object.

And it will either. When you do that, it will either fade, meaning you've got to go back to doing a practice before I bring it back again. But if it's strong enough and established well enough, when you do that, it will grow more and more intense. And then you can just surrender into it and enter into the first absorb.

Which is where there's I don't need to go on to explaining the genres, but it's the first absorption and you can strengthen your concentration tremendously in that you can sit there for some period of time, whether it's a minute or two or half an hour, absorb. Into the PT. And by doing that, this is a very intense training period in your mind.

And your concentration is going to be significantly improved every time you do that, you're able to do this, so it's worth doing, but ultimately you still want to go back to further developing the concentration, focusing on their breath and letting the PT continue to do. And the first little hints of joy and pleasure that come up will sooner or later be accompanied by strong feelings of energy moving in the body.

And, or a sensation of light behind your closed eyes, which can become very intense and very oh fantastic. Or it can just be some light cords that kind of float around and expand and contract with your grip. It takes different forms, but they can be quite amazing. And other aspects of fatigue now, when that happens, You want to let that continue to develop, because you're going to, you're going to reach a whole new level of PT.

That goes way beyond what you first experienced. And that comes about by just, you've used the PT to enhance your concentration. Now you're going back to using the concentration to let the PT go to the next level. When PTB becomes fully developed, it becomes so intense and so exciting. They almost can't stand to keep sitting there and you can also.

I think that this has gotta be if this isn't the ultimately the list, then I can't imagine what it would be, and it can be that intense, but still the thing to do is to just keep on steadily in your practice and that intensity at both the physical sensations and Mental energy and the joy will begin to succe subside and it will develop in its place, a profound sense of tranquility and a kind of equanimity that the probably beyond what you've experienced before really profound equanimity and that tranquility and equanimity is very important of the seven factors of enlightenment, joy, tranquility, and equanimity constitute 3m.

And they're the first two developed the concentration and the mindful awareness and then a PT and then the tranquility and the equanimity. So then the last two are investigation and diligence. Which are really the application of this. So PT is very important, but how you deal with it, and it's not.

It's not a simple answer. It's you work with it. If you go to it too soon, it's going to go, right? So you go back with some agitation and strengthen it, but you can, when you can go to it, you can use the 50 distract them the concentration, but ultimately you got to continue to develop your concentration and awareness.

And the PT is a side effect. They've got to let develop. And it not actually a side effect so much, but in a sense it was the purpose all along because That PT, that joy is a reflection of your mind becoming unified. Your mind. As I mentioned to you is many different mental processes going on simultaneously all with different functions, all with different agendas and sometimes in conflict with each other.

And even those times in meditation, when your mind is the same sort of calm and still, there's still been all these different processes going on. And that. And not in any sort of coherent, synchronized cooperative way when the more your mind becomes unified in the sense that always different processes are either directed towards the same goal with purpose, or at least aren't conflicting with each other.

Then the strongest. The sense of PT or horizons. So your concentration has been for the purpose of arriving at unification in line. And the PT that arises is the indication that there is a degree of unification that has been achieved. And so you use the PT to further unify the mind because of course, when the mind feels good and happy It stops struggling against itself.

And that's how it strengthens concentration. Our minds are complex enough that there's still the still your mind is not as unified as you think it is. And until you reach that level of PT, that's so strong that, it's just. It feels like it's going to knock you out of your meditation.

And and it does a lot of times you just have to get up and go tell somebody that, oh, I can't believe meditation is fair. No, can I say one thing? Really? I like it happened several years ago. I had one like this experience of joy. And like it took over and it was lasted for quite a while. And I haven't, I wasn't really trying, I didn't know what it was, what was going on and it wasn't trying for it.

And so that was a while ago, a long time ago, but now I've been working with these steps and everything, and I felt coldness coming on my arm the last couple of weeks. And I wasn't sure if it was called this or something else. And then yesterday it came. It came in my arm, but then there was an implosion throughout my body and I thought, oh, that's PT.

And then I thought, oh, PT makes the mind chatter. And cause it was because I started going commenting, starts to narrative. And so then I said, oh, stop that or something. So then I stopped, I let the mental chatter go and then it came back stronger and I thought, oh, that's how you control it. Or you can manage it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You're there. No, the part of your mind that tells the story of your life, can't resist talking to you about this PTA. Can it arise at any stage? It can arise at any stage and some people will start off meditating and now have a strong PT experience and then I'll end up chasing that.

And Some people go a long time and never have it. And I'll hear these other people say, what's the matter with me? Why isn't that happening to me? It what's important. Isn't what. 50 year rises are not on any one occasion. It's whether you learn to create the conditions for unification of mind, and as you get more and more skilled at creating those conditions, PT will arise more and more consistently because that's what it's caused live sound.

So it's more common at later stages as concentration and as your concentration improves, you're more likely to have. Periods of PT and and then what it becomes strong enough and last long, and I see you can make use of it. The first summarizing of PT can often be not recognized because yeah, you said your hand feels cold.

People will feel like, what's happening. There's ants crawling up and down my back, or they'll have this. Itchy sensation all over there. They're their scalp or they'll feel like their body is falling over and check and say no, it isn't, but I feel that way. Or one of the things that happens to me is I sit like this and my thumbs will just start twitching, like crazy.

And my mouth will start to salivate things about him. These unusual physical things that are often it's 4runner. And if you discipline yourself to just stay with the object and let that be, so I found was on Twitch a lot on Twitch. My mouth wants to water, let it wired. My hand feels cold, my hand, field cold, and just keep going.

Then you'll start to get the it'll become stronger and develop more phone. So I have, when I meditate, it's really a strange sensation. And maybe it's what you're talking about. It's my upper body just lifts I can handle it's the best I can describe. So when you go down the hill real quick, when you were a kid, remember in a car, you go down a hill and your stomach would rise.

I feel that, but it's not in my stomach. It's more in the upper torso, it's just a, it's a quick rise. And then it goes down. It's just momentarily that I get that. And it's Can you somehow, part of what we're talking about is a good chance that it is very likely that it is, if it is, as your concentration depends, then you'll probably experience a stronger sense of that.

And you may actually, your body may actually jerk upwards or not happens, so what the, what this is probably, I can't say for certain, but it probably is a foretaste of the particular way that the bodily aspect of PT manifests is going to manifest in you. Is PT then related to the Hindu concept of Kundalini the Kundalini concept.

Can you repeat that? Yeah, it is PT related to the Kundalini. That's a Kundalini. She giving lands Prada. All of these things are, they are the. Physical energy aspect of PT. And if in your meditation practice, you focus on those particularly, some may become much stronger and more evidence, or if you've been doing other things like somebody that does cheat gong a lot, or teach a lot of Chinese people and they do a lot of cheat on and Tai Chi and it's interesting.

They rarely experienced. But they always experienced the energy movements, powerful, and that's what they'll say in a meditation report is wow. The Cine and my body is know, never felt a movie like this before it's not on and so forth. So the other things that you do will predispose it to appearing in particular ways.

And if you. If you were following a Kundalini practice, then your practice is going to direct you to the very earliest sensations of chiefs are going to lead you to focus in such a way that she takes the form of Queensland. Any rising. I'm asking this because in my training as a yoga teacher, way, way back, I was I did Kundalini yoga in the beginning and my teacher didn't make a nice, that was not yet ready.

I had a very bad experience with that conduct Kundalini coming up, like for a year long, I couldn't touch even anything related to yoga, meditation things. My nervous system was like, so I was wondering it's much safe, your meditation experience, the stages of where it goes, then being jumped into it.

And it was a blow up, Okay. It is much safer and reputation and to let it develop on its own without forcing it. One of the things I'll remind you of all these feelings in your body are actually happening in here. Yeah. So keep that in your awareness that it may be convenient to visualize energy currents and sauna and things like that.

But this is just your mind creating a picture to describe sensations that your mind is generating as well. They're all in your mind. I find that the best way to deal with it and meditation is to let it develop and only intervene. There will be what appear to be blockages. You'll feel energy movement and appear to be blocked. And it will be painful. You may feel a blockage in your throat or a lot in your chest, or just, you reach a certain point in your meditation and it's there's just something great.

And you're in your chest or, it can be anywhere in your body and I can move around. Now, when those blockages become distracting to you and keep you from focusing on your meditation, continuing with them, you apply that principle, that energy follows awareness. So if you've got a blockage. And the energy is not moving past there.

Then you direct your attention to there is direct your attention to the energy that's moving. And you just, by, by following it with your mind, you allow it to start moving past that block as, or sometimes you just focus on where the blockage is and meditated on an objective way. And just the fact that your awareness is focused and that part of your minds, body.

This is going to affect the way, the energy, where the minds representation of energy moves and its own body map. But most of the rest of the time, you just let it go on itself on its own. If you're a person that has a lot of strong energy moves is a very common kind of thing that happens at some point.

There will be a feeling of energy moving up your spine, like handling up to your head. And then, those old-fashioned juice coolers, where they got a big plastic tank and it shoots that you've stepped into kind of talking about them. It's like an energy goes up to the top of your head and then you have this, oh, so delightful feeling and it just goes over your entire body.

Can you. That's the bliss of physical pliancy is what that is called. And it's a company with very powerful sense of joy and happiness to,

but you don't need to chase those things. It'll either happen for you or if they don't, something better will happen for you. P T petite, is it as a poly word? She is. It's a poly word. Yes. There's a Sanskrit antiplatelet, Saska equivalent. I'm not sure exactly how it's pronounced, but a spell was an R T R with a daughter over at T I

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I can't think of it off hand. If I do in the in the classic description of this, there are these stages of physical clients. Sorry, mental pliancy. That's where you develop the concentration that allows these things to happen. Concentration becomes effortless and you begin to experience the joy and the preliminary physical sensations.

And that leads to the stage called physical pliancy because your body becomes really stable. And comfortable, and there's no pain. You can sit in physical pliancy rises. You can sit for many hours without any discomfort. Then the next thing that arises is the bliss of physical pliancy, which.

Fountain the experience would be an example of a, it takes other forms. My favorite is that the physical pliancy the perception of your body changes. And I have often had the experience. We were sitting in meditation when the, when this list of physical pliancy arises, that I feel like I'm standing out.

I feel like I'm standing in that posture there. I don't know if it's, because I've always had these food images around me and I really liked them a lot. I've run into this, but I feel I no longer feel like I'm sitting down. I feel like I'm standing up and. Bodies or seems, I, all, I could see my body.

It would be so beautiful and rolling of light and wonderful and everything. So that's the list of physical, pliancy very pleasant sensations in the body. And then the bliss of metal applying and see, which is the full development of the, how the joy and happiness. It's a very excited kind of joyfulness, as I said.

And it's interesting because it doesn't, there's not much your mind wants to account for it, and there's not a lot to account for it, except the, oh, this is fine. Doing such a great meditation, I've succeeded it's maybe a success story. Aha. I've achieved it.

And at the top of the mountain, I'm there now that kind of a agile, so there's those four stages. And then what follows is the subsiding of of the bliss of physical pliancy. So this all kind of the, all the physical stuff fades into the back. And then there is a subsiding of the intensity of the joy of about the intensity of mental pliancy plus of mental appliance.

So it doesn't disappear entirely, but it subsides, and this is where the tranquility and the equanimity arise and become very strong. What's so important about. Is it, this is the stage where the mind is perfectly suited to have that experience, that definitive transforming experience that we talked about, stream entry, the Margaret Paul or dishonor Margaret and what is important, it's not enough just to come to the state.

A lot of equanimity, you also have to have deep insight. And that's where, what we were talking about earlier, you have to, you have to have understood that yourself is empty. You have to have understood that the objects that you see and claim to are projections of. Then having understood that you have to have tested that out over and over again, and your experience you've had to see the things are empty.

When you're walking down the street, you've had to save the things are empty. When you were having an argument with somebody, you had to see that things were empty. When you were falling asleep at night, you had to see that things were empty. When you were eating watch, you have to have this experience of reinforcing it.

Oh, This idea that I learned actually applies in this situation as well. And it's called this. That's how the stage of overcoming doubt is the stage of developing the. Which is where you intellectually understand that, ah, now I know what they're talking about or at least I think I do. And then there's a stage where you keep testing it.

If that's really true, then what about this? And so on and so forth. Stage of reflection. The stage of testing, and this is called and this constitutes the stage of overcoming doubt. You overcoming, do you overcome doubt through questioning through probing, through thinking about that's, you're trying it out wow.

If this is really happy right now, what does that mean? What about these people are, I'm saying this place than I am, and you test it out and say, yeah, My mind is projecting this. It's not necessarily where I see it at all that prepares your mind. And then in the course of your meditation, you will have.

You don't have a whole variety of experience that are basically really powerful affirmations of that. You'll have some form of wow, this is impermanence. Or, you're in meditation. Your mind keeps grasping and clinging to one thing or another, and suddenly it's wow, this is.

Those noble proves mean they're craving and grasping her causes of suffering. Even the most subtle dissatisfaction I'm having during a, not too bad meditation is due to craving and grasping. And then it comes real and that makes it even easier to go out there. So you prepare the mind in this way.

You prepare the mind intellectually intuitively your worldview begins to reflect this understanding. Then when you develop a deep stage of equanimity, then you're ready. And then your mind can penetrate beyond it's ongoing fabrication of the illusion that you live. So PT is an extremely important aspect of what happens and to forgetting they're

very important part of the process, but as soon as it arises, even its most subtle forms, which you might not recognize this PT, when you sit down to meditate and boy, it feels really comfortable to sit here today. Huh? I never noticed before how good it feels just to sit and that sort of pleasant feeling in your mind, those are subtle, very subtle aspects.

You wouldn't really call them PT technically, but they are of the same nature and. By allowing yourself to recognize those and nurture those, then that will improve. That will improve the process of focus and awareness leading to unification of mine. So very important to always cultivate that notice out and put it become a part of your awareness and it will accelerate your process.

Whenever you find yourself feeling restless and annoyed and disappointed. How pounds I keep doing this and nothing gets any better. Ah, that's the kind of thought that keeps the pleasure from arising that will make the difference in my concentration. Now that the satisfaction in firstly, I found dairy very interesting.

There's a positive psychologist by the name of Haley chick sent me his finding name, but who has for many years studied happiness. And he has studied and written about a phenomenon that he calls flow and he's interviewed all kinds of people. And he's had people go around with this little device that they wear that every so often beeps and they have to record what they're doing and what.

State of happiness is on scale and so forth. And basically he has discovered PT. He has discovered that the most intense state of happiness occurs whenever an individual is completely focused on something. And the more completely focused and absorbed they are. And in the and the answer is things hanging on the book he wrote, which is entitled.

So there are a lot of quotes from people that experiences very strongly and you read those and then you go and you read the descriptions and the meditation literature word for word same. They're exactly the same. So he's found that, surgeons, for example, there are some surgeons that, the height of their life as surgery, because they're totally focused.

They forget everything else. And they're filled with this blissful serenity, and they just do their work and they're, on a task, but he's even found assembly line workers. They experienced the same thing rare, but there is an accountant is broke out on the assembly line worker. I get totally absorbed in what I'm doing and nothing else matters.

And I become so happy and blissful and and I could work all day. I guess

so the quality of absorption, right? Everything else is out of the way. That's a quality of absorption in that activity and everything else is that's it? Everything else is Anson that's right? Yeah. And PTE is of course a Gianna factor is present. And the first two is, and then the pleasure that we talked about, the happiness that's present in the first three of the gentleness and the genres are absorptions that, they're different from the surgeon's absorptions or the, a, these other absorptions that we talked about.

And that they're the result of training. And they're not, they're independent of what you become absorbed vented. So you can be your time absorbed into some, something that some simple experiences serves as an object. But, and when I talked to you about entering in the light, John is you'd be entering into the first absorption.

And that will that experience of sitting there and absorption, which is deep concentration was strong. Pity will. Subsequently your mind now knows how to develop that degree of concentration. And so it's easier to concentrate subject policy as a result of.


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it's instead switching the subject a little bit. When you're... We like... This is a technical meditation question. When you're admitted when you're meditating, Mh. And say Pt comes up. What's the instruction there. You just watch it and have with it and wait till settles into Su? Yes. Allow it allow it to, yes sir. Just okay your question is when you're in meditation. Thank you very much. When you're in meditation and Pt comes up. What is the proper way to react? Well, when it first begins to come up, the most important thing is to keep on doing what caused it to come up.

Was pt Joy. Not a say of Joy. Sorry and happiness. I'll literally, they word pt main joy, but in meditation, it's also a accompanied by appearance of a light often sometimes by sound, very often by sensations of energy moving in the body. So from a technical point of view, all of these are part of Pt. But the essence of T is is the joy and that is amongst the first than the last aspects of it. So So fifty first begins to arise. What's most important is to keep on doing what caused it to arise and allow it to to strengthen.

But that doesn't mean ignoring it because the the experience of that joy and pleasure is going to it has the effect of further enhancing your ability to focus and to stay clear. You know, the the joy itself keeps you alert and and the happiness makes it easier for your mind to stay focused. Okay. So so you don't totally disregard it, but you don't leave what you're doing and go focus on the Pt. Right? Right? When it becomes strong enough, sometimes you can do that. And you can practice a light form of the genres.

When the pt fatigue becomes when you're mind, when the pt comes and and you feel it there, and your mind is is quite focused and still, then you can abandon the breath and take the pleasant. Just take the pleasant maybe take pleasant located somewhere their body or maybe just take a feeling of happiness that seems to be rising in your mind. And make that in meditation object. And it will either... When you do that, it will either fade mean, you've gotta go back to doing a practice before and bring it back again.

But if it's strong enough and established well enough, when you do that, it will grow more and more intense. And then you can just surrender into it and and enter into the first absorption. Which is where there's... I don't need to go into explaining the Johns. But it's the first absorption. And you can constriction your concentration tremendously in that. You can sit there for some period of time, whether it's a minute or two or half an hour. Absorbed into the pt. And and by doing that, you're...

This is a very intense training period in your mind. And your concentration is going to be significantly improved every time that you're able to do this as worth doing. But ultimately, you still wanna go back to further developing the concentration, focusing on the breath and letting the Pt continue to develop. And the first little hits for joy and pleasure that come up will sooner later be accompanied by strong feelings of energy moving in the body, and or a sensation of light behind your closed eyes which can become very intense and very like, a well, fantastic.

Or it can just be some light cords that kind float around and expand and contract with your grip. Takes different forms, but they can be quite amazing. And other aspects of treating. Now when that happens, You wanna let that continue to develop because you're going to you're gonna reach a whole new level of pt that goes way beyond what you first experience. And that comes about by just, you know, you you've used the Pt to enhance your concentration Now you're going back to using the concentration to let the Pt go to the next level.

When Ptc becomes fully developed, it becomes so intense and so exciting that you almost can't stand to keep sitting there. And you can also think that how this has gotta be, you know, if this isn't the ultimate list, I can't as would be, you know, and it can be that intense. But still the thing to do is to just keep on steadily in your practice. And that intensity of both the physical sensations and of the metal energy and the joy, will begin to subside subside and it will develop in its place, a profound sensitive tranquility and kind of that these probably beyond what you've experienced before really profound our.

That tranquility quality and is very important. Of the seven factors of enlightenment, joy tranquility and cost to three of them. Mh. And they're the... They're first you develop the concentration and the mindful awareness and then comes the pt and then the tranquility and the entity. So then the the last two are investigation and diligence. So which are really the application of this. So Pt is very important but how you deal with it, you know, and it's it's not it's not a simple answer. It's you you work with it.

If you go to a too soon, it's gonna go right. So you go back with the agitation and strengthen it. But you can. You can go to it, you can use the Pt strength on the concentration. But ultimately, ultimately, you got to continue to develop your concentration awareness. And the Pt is kind of side effect that you've got to let develop. And not actually a side effect so much, but in a sense, it was It was the purpose all along Because that pt that joy is a reflection of your mind becoming unified. Your mind as like mentioned is many different mental processes.

Going on simultaneously, all with different functions all with different agendas and sometimes in conflict with each other. And even those times in meditation when your mind just seemed so of calm and still, there's still then all these different processes going on. And not and and not in any sort of coherent synchronized cooperative way. When the more your mind becomes unified. Unified in the sense that all these different processes are either directed towards the same goal of purpose or at least aren't conflicting with each other, then the stronger the sense of T t that arises.

So your concentration has been for the purpose of of arriving a unification line. And the pt that arises is the indication that there is a degree of unification that has been achieved. And so you use... You use the Pt to further unify the mine because of course, when the mine feels good and happy, it stops struggling against itself. And that's how it strengthens the concentration. But our minds are complex enough that they're still the still, your mind is not as unified as you think it is until you reach that level of a pt that's so strong that, you know, it's just...

You know, it it it feels like it's gonna knock you out of your meditation, and and it does a long time. You just have to get up and go tell something oh can't believe was medication. It house. Can I say one thing really no because I... Like, I happened... Several years ago, I had one that... like, this experience of joy I it it like, it took over and it was lasted for quite a while. And I haven't... I wasn't really... I didn't know what it was what was going on and I wasn't trying for it. And...

And that was a why a long january and now i've been working with these steps and everything. And I saw cold coming out my arm the last couple weeks. Mh. And I wasn't sure if it was called this or something else. Yeah. And then yesterday, it came it came in my arm, but then there there an imp throughout my body. Mh. And I thought oh, that's pt. That is. And then I thought oh Pt makes the mind chatter. And... Because it just... Because I started going commenting, you know, Yeah. It starts an narrative.

And so then I said, oh, stop that or something. So then I stopped, I let the metal chatter go, and then it came back stronger and I thought, oh, that's how you control it. Or you can you can manage it mh in that way. That was right. Mh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You're you know, the part of your mind that tells the story of your life. Can't resist talking to you about this teaching? Yeah. Like what Can you arise at any stage or is it just for... You can arise in in any stage. And some people will start off and now have a strong pt experience, and then they'll end up chasing that right.

And some people go along long time and never have it and They'll hear these out people and say, what's matter who Why not happening to me? What's important isn't whether fifty arises or not on any one occasion. It's whether you learn to create the conditions for unification of mine. And as you get more and more skilled at creating those conditions, Pt will arise more and more consistently because that's that's what it's caused l. Mh. So it's more common at later stages Or as your concentration as your concentration improves, you're more likely to have periods a pt.

And then and then when it becomes strong and i and last long, and you can make you of it. The first arising of Pt can often be not recognized because Yeah. You you said your hand feels cold. People will feel like, you know, this what's happened. Is ants going up and down running back, you know? Right? Or they'll have this itchy sensation all over the their their scalp, or they'll feel like their body is falling over and kinda check say, well no. It isn't. You know, but I feel that way. Or the one of the things that happens to me is that i sit like this.

And my thumbs will just start twitch like crazy And my mouth will start to saliva, you know, Think i haven't that. So it has these these unusual physical things that are often it's fore. And if you discipline yourself to just stay with the object and let that be. You know? So my found on a twitch. I a twitch. Right mouth if on sw let wire my hand feels cold. My hand feel go and just keep going then you'll start to get but it'll it'll become stronger and lot more forward. Sometimes I have when I meditate.

It's really a strange sensation and maybe it's what you're talking about. It's it's kind of like my upper body just kinda lets can it's it the best I can describe someone you go down the hill real quick when you're a kid, remember in a car Mh. Go down on your stomach, kinda ride. Mh. Well, I feel that, but it's not my stomach gets more in the upper torso. You know, It's just a it's a it's a quick ride. Mh. And and then it goes on. It's just momentarily that I get that. And it's like a kinda just somehow.

Yes. Is that's part of what we're talking about? It it's good chance that it is. Very likely that it is. If it is... As your concentration deepens depends, then he'll probably experience a stronger sense of that and you may you may, actually, your body may actually jerk upwards or that happens. You know. Mh. So so what the what this is probably I can't say for certain but probably is is a four case of the particular way that the bodily aspect of P manifest is going to manifest in you. Yes. Is pt then related to the hindu concept of.

Ta? The the concept end of it. K. Can you repeat that question? Yeah. Is Pt related to the Con delaney desk Con, chi, P, all of these things are... They are the physical energy aspect of Pt. And if in your meditation practice, you focus on those particularly, you know, then they become much stronger and more evident. Or if you've been doing other things like somebody that does cheek gong a lot of teach a lot of Chinese people and they do a lot of Chi at tai. And it's interesting they rarely experience the light, but they always experience the energy powerful and that's what they'll say a meditation report is well, the she and my body is, you know, never felt moving like this before and it's not on so forth.

So the other things that you do will pre predisposed it to appearing in in particular ways. And if you if you were following a con practice, then your practice is going to direct you the very earliest sensations of chi are gonna lead you to focus in such a way that she takes the form of arising. Yeah. I... I'm asking this because in my training as a yoga teacher way way back, I was... I did quite Yoga guy in the beginning and my teacher didn't my recognized. I was not yet ready. I had a very, very bad experience with that coming up.

Like, for a year long, I couldn't touch and anything related to yoga, meditation, things nervous system like that. So I was wondering, it's much safe. I through meditation experience. Mh. The stages of where it goes then being jumped into it, and and it was a blow up, You know? Yes. Okay. It is much safer and. And to let it develop on it i'm without without forcing it. I mean one of the things that I'll remind you of all these feelings in your body are actually happening in your mind. Mh. Yeah. To keep that.

Keep keep that in your awareness. That you it it may be convenient to visualize energy currents and and and front and things like that. But this is just your mind creating a picture to describe sensations that your mind is generating as well. That they're all in your mind. So I find that the best way to deal with it and meditation is to let it develop. And only intervene, like there will be what appear to be blockages. You'll you'll feel energy movement and and appear to be blocked. And it will be painful.

You may feel blockage and shoulder. A not in your chest. They're just, you know, you reach a certain point in your meditation, and it's like there's just something gripping and you're in your chest. Or, you know, it can be anywhere in your body, and it can move around. Now when those blockages become distracting to you and keep you from focusing on your meditation continue then you apply a principal that energy follows awareness. So if you've got a blockage here, and the energy is not moving past there, then you direct your attention to their you direct your attention to the energy that's moving, and it just by by following it with your mind, you allow that to start moving past that blocker because or sometimes you just focus on where the blockage is and meditate on an objective way.

And just the fact that your awareness is focused in that part of your mind's body map is going to affect the energy where they mines representation of energy moves in its own body up. But most of the rest of the time, you just kinda let it go on itself on its own. If you're a person that has a lot of strong energy movement, it's a very common kind of thing that happens at some point. Right? There will be a feeling of energy moving after spine. Like handling up to up to your head. And then, you know, those old fashioned juice coolers or they a big plastic tank and it shoots the juice stuff in tenders.

Oh yeah. I that. Just like an energy. Energy goes up to the top of your head and then you have this... Oh. So with the white ceiling. It just goes over your entire body and you have. That's... The list of physical p see is what that is called. And it's a accompanied with very powerful sense of joy and happiness next too. But you don't need to chase those things. Earlier happened for you. Or if they don't something better will happen for you. So but pete... He bear recent. Is it as a Poly? Is it's a poly.

Yes. There's a San. And says equivalent. Task equivalent. I'm not sure exactly how it's pronounced but it's spelled with an r. P r with a dot over t i. Good, I think is house. Yeah. Like great but the role of your tongue a little bit. Pretty. There that to. I'm sure he is. Let me see if I know it next. I can't think of it offhand hand. If might do. In the in the classic description of this There are these stages of physical p. Our mental p, that's where you develop the concentration that allows these things to happen and concentration becomes effortless lesson and you begin to experience the joy and preliminary physical sensations.

And that leads to stage called physical p because your body becomes really stable and comfortable, and there's no pain even sit in physical plants that arises you can sit for many hours without any discomfort. Then the next thing that arises is the the bliss of physical clan, which that fountain experience would be an example of. It takes other forms though, my favorite is that the physical clients, the perception of your body changes. And I have often had the experience with sitting in meditation when the when this list of physical clients he arises that I feel like I'm standing out.

I feel like I'm standing in that posture there. I don't know if it's because I've always had these food images in know, and I like in a lot of what, But I feel no longer feel what I'm sitting down. I feel like I'm i'm standing up. And my body just seems... you know, I they like if I could see my body. It would be so beautiful full blowing of white and wonderful and everything. So that's that's the list of physical clients. See very pleasant sensations and the body. And then the bliss mental p, which is the full development of the of the joy and and happiness, you know, It's a it's a very excited kind of joyful as I said.

And It's interesting because it doesn't... There's not much your mind wants to account for it. And there's not a lot to account for it. Except. That, you know, sort like oh this is been doing such a great meditation, You know, I've succeeded to sort of It's a maybe kind of a success story. U aha. I've achieved. I'm at the top of the mountain i'm there now you know that kind of a a dr scene. So there's those four stages. And then what follows is the subs signing of of the bliss of physical p. So this all kind of...

The... you know, all the physical stuff fades into the background. And then there is a subs of the intensity of the joy of the the intensity of mental clients, the listed mental clients So it doesn't disappear entirely, but it subside. And this is where the tranquility and the arise and become very, very strong. What's so important about this is that this is the stage where the mind is perfectly suited. To have that experience that definitive transforming experience, that we talked about stream that Margo Po or Dish and Mar.

And what is important You know, it's not enough just to come the state and have a lot of. You also have to have deep insight. And that's where what we're were talking about earlier. You have to... You know, you have to have understood that yourself is empty. You have to have understood that the objects that you see and cleaned to our projections of your mind. Then having understood that, you have to have tested that out over and over again in your experience. You've had to see the things you're empty when you're walking down the street.

You had to see the things are empty where you were having an or you know or somebody. You had to see the things are empty when you're following you mind. And to see the things are empty when you're eating watch. You have to have this experience of reinforcing it. Oh, yeah. This idea that I learned actually applies in this situation as well. Has held this this called the stage of over overcoming down. This the stage of of developing the view, which is where you intellectually understand that. Now I know what they're talking about.

Or at least I think I do. And then there's the stage where you keep testing it. Well, that's really true, and what about this. You know, and and so on and so forth. Stage reflection, the stage of testing. And this is called... In this constitutes this stage overcoming doubt. You overcoming you overcome dell through questioning through probing through thinking about and you're trying it out. Well if this is really hefty right now, what does that mean? You know, what about these people I'm saying?

This place that I am... you know, and you tested out. Yeah. I can see. My noise is projecting this. It's not necessarily where I see it at all. That prepares And then in the course of your meditation, you will have... You'll have a whole variety of experience that are basically really powerful affirmations of that. You know, you'll have some form of, you know, like, wow this is this is imp. Or, you know, you're in meditation and your mind keeps grasping and clinging to one thing or another. And suddenly, as i wow, this is this is what those noble truths mean they that craving grass or causes is suffering.

Even the most subtle dissatisfaction I'm having during a not too bad meditation is due to creating and grass. And then you see it. And then it comes real and then makes it even easier to go out there. So you prepare the mind in this way. You prepare the mind intellectually, intuitively, your worldview begins to reflect this understanding. Then when you develop a deep stage of, then you're ready, then then then your mind can penetrate beyond. It's ongoing fabrication of the illusion that you live in.

So Pt is extremely important. Aspect aspects of what happens and tool forgetting there. Very important part of the process. But as soon as it arises, even its most subtle forms, which you might not recognize as pt. When you sit down and meditate, and Boy feels... I it feels really comfortable to sit here today. Well just... I never noticed this before how good it feels just to sit. And and that's sort of pleasant feeling in your mind. Those are subtle very subtle aspects. I mean, you wouldn't really call him T technically, but they are of the same nature.

And by allowing yourself, to recognize those and and nurture those then that will improve that will improve the process of focus and awareness leading to unification of mine. So very important to always cultivate that notice but it become part of your awareness and it will accelerate your process. I have find yourself feeling restless and annoyed disappointed and, you know. I keep doing this, nothing gets any better a. That's the kind of thought that keeps the pleasure from arising. That will make the difference in my concentration.

Now, the that the satisfaction interesting. I found very, very interesting. There's a positive psychologist by the name of Hayley behavior, funny name, but who has for many years studied happiness And he has studied he written about a phenomenon that he calls flow. And he's interviewed all kinds of people and he's had people go around with this little device that they wear that every so often beeps and they have to record what they're doing, and what their state of happiness is on scale and so forth.

And basically, he he has discovered pt. He has discovered that the most intense state of happiness occurs whenever an individual is completely focused on something. And the more completely focused and absorbed, they are and in and and the interesting thing in the book hero wrote, which is entitled flow there are a lot of quotes from people that experience this very strongly. And you read those, And then you go, and you read the descriptions and the meditation, literature. The word saying. They're exactly the same.

So he's found the, you know, surgeons, for example. There are some surgeons that, you know, the height of their life and surgery because they're totally focused to say forget everything else, and they're filled with this blissful serenity and they just do their work and and they're, you know, on task. But he's even found assembly line workers to experience the same thing. Rare, but there is an account it's of an a assembly line worker. This says I get totally absorbed and what I'm doing and nothing else matters and I become so happy and blissful, you know, and I could work all day like guess.

The quality of absorption or everything else is out of the way. That's that it's a quality of absorption. Yeah in that activity and everything else is that's right. That's Anything else is answered. That's right. Yeah And and Ppe is, of course, a John factor. Is present and the first two genres. And then the pleasure that we talked about the happiness, that's present in the first three of of the Genres. And the Genres is are absorption that, you know, the different from the surgeons absorption or the any these other absorption that we talked about, and that they're the result of training.

And they're not they're independent of what you become absorbed into. So even can the become absorbed into some... Something that some simple experience it serves as an object. But And when I talk to you about answering entering and the light John, you'd be entering in the first absorption. And that will... That experience is sitting there in absorption, which is deep concentration with strong pity. Will... Subsequently, your mind now knows how to develop that degree of concentration.

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