Q&A: Can a “lack” (of something) be an object of the consciousness?
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Culadasa: Yes. Yeah, you say, did I get the question was, did I say in Iran could be the object of consciousness or the lack of pagan? Okay. The lack of something and not be an object of consciousness. When we say Nirvana is association trading, what we really mean is. That when there is a cessation it's grading ban, Nirvana is reveal I would pay.
And I'm going to say that Iran is the object of consciousness. Not in the new, it's not an object of consciousness in the usual sense, but it is. In most of the systems, except for whether there are certain dry inside path. This is where a person's experience is actually described as as I lapsed in consciousness or brigade where most of the time that's a concert experience, but what becomes known for the mind is Nirvana or emptiness or all reality.
It is it is described in the care of Auden tradition has as being an object of consciousness. But it's more that there is an experience of consciousness and consciousness has no object. And Amir for Nirvana is realize that might be a better way, little likely or more conversation, but essentially what happens while we're talking about.
Ultimate reality emptiness and Rivana are the same thing. They are that rich is unborn unconditioned and unceasing. In other words, that which involves no projected, no mental projection though. Object of any pie. So the ultimate reality Therefore is not an object in and ed sense that normal consciousness would take as an object, but they still consciousness.
So that subsequently the person reflects on the spearing. And of course, they'll interpret it according to whatever the background is. Christian mystics interpreted as. The self, the soul having dissolve and to the union. God. So depending on what conceptual formations the mind has in it, after the fact, it will be appropriate based on.
The mine have as an object and consciousness a lab because they thought that it was what we always have. Anja a lack.
That is that yes, you can't take as an object and absence. What you can do is pay as an object the conceptualization or the formation corresponding to an absence in what is called the seventh Gianna. The form was Gianna, Isabel, the base of nothing that's and so the person's mind has become very agree still.
They have let go of sense of spatial location and experience infinite space. They have parents that have consciousness and then they have the experience of nothing. That's so no thing this, but this is exactly what happens in your mind. Have you ever been. Okay. You're looking for something and you thought it was in the drawer and you open the drawer and you're struck by it's not there, but that is a mental formation and nothing less that outsets.
So you're not knowing the abstinence directly, but really we're having to expand through a foreign nation.
Knowing that once the joint presents the rental section of bath mental formation, there's not the be itself, have the direct perception of emptiness, which is
what it is
it's not a mental formation correspondence to the options. Yeah, it is a direct understanding or I directly experienced about the reality of ultimate truth. That is reveal Ram. There is no, when there is no projection, including a projection, nothing bus, and there are the potential and the mind is not even projecting nothing that's but rather what is revealed is not because Champaign is defined as an agile.
But it is not a negative. It is. Emptiness is what, every time they've made out of antsiness it was the only thing verdicts. And there is something where it is. What do you mean that it's.
What do I mean that it's not, and I get too
and negative as in something that doesn't exist, it's missing. It's not. Only exists as one only has meaning as one path of a duality something or the existence or nonexistence, emptiness, and Ivana, all these different terms that we'll use. But at the same thing, I was just riding cycling that is beyond either existence or nonexistence, those receive, okay, we have to bring this.
I don't know. There'll be a limit to how much, but I can say about this, but I can satisfy your intellectual, maybe weird. That's what I meant. Okay. All right. We have, on the one hand, we have things that we would say excess. In other words, faced. They are based are outside of the mind. And we infer that they have an existence outside of the box.
You infer that the back of my hand, a Susan, oh, you can't see it.
not see it. So that's what we mean by existence. Okay. And then there is another kind of video, which is that, which we are experiencing. Which have a projection of the lot. Okay. So the back of my hand is an existent that you infer the Palm of my hand is a mental projection that you regard as a real right.
And both of these have their opposite. The existence and you and Ferb backed up. My hand is not a real, so you can have real and they're not. The existence I could say that I turned my hand or I could say on this side of my hand I have a picture of, they do that and he would say I just saw your Palm of his hand, a man and a girl.
And there was no they're true of the Buddha there. So I don't believe there's an existence there. So we have, and. Our normal reality. We have these team categories of things that we either believe him or doubt existence and non-existence that are live in France and color reels. Where are the objects of our direct experience of emptiness is removal of both with both Antina.
This is not something that's known by and grants. So back to the hand, But there is no mind projection of a real. And so what is known what becomes known to the mind, but there comes real lives and what changes the way the mind works. And the picture is the experience that the reels are empty.
Emptiness is the ultimate trip
in terms of con relative reality. Emptiness is the fact that nothing actually exists the way appears to us, but all of our reels are false. And so from the point of relative reality, that's what Anthony miss me and point of view. Ultimately, reality emptiness is the ultimate reality. So it's smoke.
It's not a mitigation and it's not going to have all of them use in. Bill's not does not list either equation.
From the point of view of relative reality, it's a lot, but, and the nature of emptiness itself is not about lack. And I realized that you were probably have been, Kenny made a lot of plus on VIPA Dharma where it's always reaches this point. Emptiness is empty too, and therefore nothing exists, but and that remains true.
As long as you're talking from the point of view of appearances,
the emptiness themes from the point of view of relative reality is also empty. If there's an emptiness of things, pointedly relatively yet. Is itself another kind of formation.
And that's what I prefer all the mud I'm going to go. So I prefer the Shen Tom, which simply recognizes that says that once you had, once you understand the persona view, then you're left with the contradiction that, either there is nothing. Which makes no logical sense at all, or else a non-existence doesn't exist either, which makes no sense at all.
So the shantytown view says that emptiness is the ultimate reality and it's not, it has the matron. And has it's the one thing that does have sophomores. As the suck nature bring after this is I hope that helped you a little bit, but when you get to that level of philosophy and really his philosophy and his logic better, it's better to focus on the practical aspect and get there and resell.
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