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TCMC 16 June 2011 (Part 1)



 

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here sorry. I never got back to you. Okay. So The world is on fire. Looks. So. How are you doing? Doing well. I hope you all too. What should we talk about this? Justin grasping. Your. Unrest. Don't know what it. Talk about trash. Is it just advanced speaking that you don't, know at name consider You also know what don't know what ras means. Either side of the coin. Well, It is what it's talking about is that tendency that we have to be attached to grasp to claim to arm. Hold on here. I I need easier over senators.

Particular okay. A particular for year. About the wait things sorry. And so when it's applied to any one what we're doing is we or believing that it really is the way that it appears to be and that we are really in the relationship with whatever is, that we believe we are. So that it produces a a comp to to think to act. And particular way as a result of that. And it makes us very vulnerable to suffering. That that's a very kind of general abstract description. But There's so many things that We we press two, we can take almost same thing.

There's an example. But... Maybe instead... Maybe the the best way to approach this is to understand, why grasping his thought of as to be something negative or undesirable or coco battery? So if you grasp to the idea that you have right now i to who you are. It makes you very vulnerable because... In so many ways to the extent that grasp to that. If there's other people hold a different opinion of you. Manufacturing cause you suffering. Hit you. If you feel that your view of yourself might being threatened in now iso authors it can't force you to do and say it'd be any them, particular ways to have that.

Right? So just grasping into just the idea of who you think you are. Set you up for all kinds of problems right there. You grasp to your car, for example. And it's. It could if it break down tomorrow, it could be stolen tonight. I can have an accident and then it gone. You could walk out from here to evening and somebody's pete depending on beside out, you know, the degree to which you grasp to physical object even become vulnerable little of the sense the. But the real problem with the grasping isn't and just deep clinging to physical object.

Is they're plugging into the ideas and the dow that associated with things like that. And so attachment dog g. Dot plating. But really involves is recognizing all the many different ways that we grasp to all over many different things that we do perhaps here. Answer recognizing that and recognizing the the difficulty that that causes us. Learning to let some of that grasp. That makes sense. That's that's basically what it is. What did your question? Right while Reading a book. It talks about. And it I don't know how familiar you are with that the the buddha teachings are good to start not not very.

There's one very, very powerful tool and he's us in terms. So our way of thinking about saying? Yeah it's called the twelve links of dependent origin And basically, you can think care it as a description. A process that we undergo moment by moment through time our lives. That way when there is some a contact with the sense and we become conscious or something. That sensation inevitably produces some kind of tingling in so plus wasn't or perhaps sometimes a neutral sensation. But most often something of five five unpleasant.

And the natural reaction to that is our that their arises and us are trying to desire. If it's pleasant. We we desire to hold on to that pleasant to continue that wasn't this to repeat that pleasant. Can't what whatever or way we can't. If it's unpleasant, then our desire is just the opposite we wanna get really that stop at eliminated for prevent county back in the future. Of course, this is this is quite obvious. We're all familiar this happening to. It's automatic reaction too. To pleasure and paying to pleasant nine unpleasant experiences.

It's it's called craving, which is where the garbage both, but both the desired and the the desire not to have training version. But in this leaks of dependent education the one that follows the arising of crave is the one that it looks like the one here reading. Is is going to be the link that's described as grasping or cleaning. And what it's actually referring to is that when you have this experience, something happened and it's either pleasant under painful. Your mind processes the sensory information, compares it with your past experience and generates a concept that there there is this thing or this person is phenomenon that it identifies has the source of the pleasure thing.

And at the same time in the very same as part of the very same process. It generates the concept of you as a self and entity that is experiencing the pleasure and as was a result of this other thing. So what the grasping beam is referring to is the verification of the light, they're making real in the mind. What the launch has done is explained the circumstance that's just happened in terms of and image our object and image of a cell and the relationship between the two is responsible for the budget and.

It's when the mine turns out into a reality. That's what that's technically grasping is. Because from that, then the next step is becoming at with the point telling you or now you have now become you have recreated yourself again as this ally wish to experience pleasure on pain. Interacting with this world and this one part of this world and wholly it responsible for the pleasure of. And So we're then we act about just stack. We we speak and react, but we also think in field. Out of the result of that.

So the term grasp technically is describing a psychological funnel on by which we take the lines and interpretation of our experience and hold on as being a reality, which then becomes the basis for our subject. Thoughts, feelings action speech and server forth. And that just constantly repeats itself. Because whatever you do in response to this sequence that I've just described, whatever you do is going to lead to another event in the next moment. And the process is going to routine. So that is dependent on origin origin and so terms of dependent origin organization the grass is the way between prep and the becoming.

So if you realize that the process of becoming is inherently frustrating difficult painful. Then you can you you can book you could realize that if you stopped if you start the... If you could stop the process and grasping, you can answer up the process of becoming a being acting out of a desire version, and therefore suffering feeling dissatisfied. And therefore acting in a way that is going do somehow. So you you can enter interrupt. Counting if you're. The accounting cease when drafts safe. That before that was was pretty.

Grasping seasons trade. That is actually important link in this process. So can the discussions about grasping? Hi. What year what you're trying to do is understand the psychological process and that level. So that you can get to the roots of it which are the and eventually overcome the that is driving across Great. reached. Yeah. I I thought Ras bing was also... We need the action step like the way it was explained to me, the way I thought about it was craving was, like, the exception, grasping was, like, the comp and becoming was after he's done the act, like creating a cigarette.

Then you you slope the cigarette and because you smoke it, you're a smoker. Is it that blizzard like that? Well, that is what we give you... Yes. That that's the sequence here. I'm not sure See what the the the grasping is the action step. It's it's it's where you actually do the thing that be because you smoke, you become the smoker. Well, yes. But the thing is Mean, sir, that is a very good way. Okay. But if we look at a little bit more close okay. You look at it a little bit more closely You don't take out cigarette right there.

Your handset ducts. Yes. Your muscles can track. Yes. Where does that time front intentionally any rice maybe in your mind? You know, a thing that we sometimes do though would say they said, you you can't actually even move your your hand. All you do is make the intention. You wouldn't have any idea how need your hear. Right. But fortunately, if you generate the intention, what you perceive as your hand will move as result of So the action itself is rooted in the mental process. So ultimately the grass based is psychological across times.

So steam tension and but and the craving generates the intention. That's right. Okay. And just in a dream, you could do the same thing the dream. Right? But in a dream to sequence. So he can be a smoker grand drink. Without your hand moving to take cigarette at well. Just have to cigarette grabbing me out. That? Just have the cigarette in your mouth. But you you know in a dream. You can you you just have you just have a dream cigarette. Yeah. And a dream hand takes the dream figure that out and right it with the dream map Yes.

Right. So so that's that same sequence you're saying. Yeah. So it... It's exactly the same sequence. And if you think about it the mechanics the physical aren't important what makes you a smoker is be psychological. Grasping is... And and and also this disappears on other things like the concept of empty step. You know, that that really is the way it appears to be too us right our line projects things this being way. And so The very self that we think we are including the very body that we believe we camera, which could carry out an action, like, why didn't figure around.

Is in fact empty in the sense that this is all on an internal representation in our mind. Which the dream example helps to clarify because same is real, that'd be sometimes it same just is real. So the the the the place where all the real reelection is happening is in psychological aspect of grasping, not physical movement. Conservative. And also, other thing too is that in what's being described at this process that he went through is happening constantly. Very rapidly. And it doesn't always involve physical activities.

You have an experience and the... What's ref may be entirely mental, it may be or attitude in your previous predisposition. And the becoming that doesn't result in a physical action, the becoming is that that event shapes who you are in the future in the next mode and even much further down the line. Each each mental event takes place also follows the same steps of depending the origin automation. And so you know we're we're not acting, we're constantly being coming. We're constantly creating who we are, and it will be.

So that's a good reason to go beyond just the physical one mh. And and the physical actions in print mind body as well. Yes as well. That's right. Because... Yes. The the physical actions are experienced in their turn. You know, if you... The intention is to reach for something then you have a sensory experience of feeling emotion and seeing emotion and then experiencing the result of whatever otherwise we were reaching for in so forth. And so all of those make their imprint as well. So it just it just deepens into it.

Actually, we're supposed to be talking about medication which Yeah. Yeah. I have a a technical question other. Struggling my mainly with distraction and last... Or two single action we've been talking when as we talked about that. Quite a bit. And so I start paying on pension. And what the writing is that said ten to focus on my graph as much concentration as I can't i'd stay with that and then some of the gross distractions I noticed are I'm not getting as lost or or engaging in as much mind wandering.

But what I'm noticed is there's lots of other things going on, lots of little whispers of thoughts. And it's as if my attention jumps to that and then back to the object there's more even can kinda keep up with it. And so... Yeah. That's It this kinda seems like all of a sudden Night. I then I started thinking about that process got, you know, carried away. Stuff yeah. We keep get. Yeah I I'm just not quite sure what to do with that. Okay. Well this is this you're observing what? First of all, the nature of the mind, which is that you can be attending the one thing and that being the more predominant object of time to awareness.

But at the same time, you can be aware of a whole lot of other things. Know So so you're you're... They're there. And that's the normal state is that there are a lot of other present thoughts awareness sensations on so. What you've also noticed is that, you know, obviously, sometimes your volume goes to something. And it you're... And we should say your attention goes so your attention will go one those thing and stay on it. And it stays on long and enough you'll forget about your meditation on object.

Once you forgotten about your medication object, And then once rest the mind is tired of its new object. Then, it will go on to something else and now you started with the process like mine on. But the other thing that you've noticed is even when that doesn't happen. Sometimes i live, sometimes the attention goes for another object. But it doesn't stay there long enough for you to figure forget why you're doing. It goes to visits it for a little bit. And then either you recognize what's happened and you bring it back or helps...

Sometimes it just goes in taxes that thing comes right back. Right? If you and that's very good. That's that's now you're starting to to understand the inner landscape of the mine. There's a lot of things going on. Have this... Right at the center of this, is at the center of your conscious awareness is this thing that we call tension, which is highly mobile wherever it resides two things you're going to be much more fully conscious or where wherever land. But the other thing too is that as a result of that, you can be caught by something.

So when you're observing that happening, you'll notice and even when your attention seems to be very stable. There's still very rapid movements to something else. So What's important in this is that first of all, you come to the point of being aware that there are these other thoughts and sensations and things like that in the background. But even more importantly than that. Is there's a part of your mind that's monitoring the whole process as it part of your mind that is standing back in seeing moves.

That's the part of your mind, of course that alerts you when, you know, your everybody have on. If it alerts you before you forgot what you're doing, then you recognize that a distraction is there and you can't put over and refocus your attachment. And of course, every time you do that, you're training the line when the see your attention is going to done. Or stable. So it's that is that intros aspect of awareness that is simultaneously there. First of all the awareness is there and even are you're focusing the attention.

But it's an intros aspect Especially that part that kinda stands about and recognizes what's happening. As you do to that, that's what's going to gave you the ability to determine our powerful medi more. So two things are happening i use tool, which is that kind of intros awareness. The other thing too is that you are seeing an understanding that nature of your mind failure which will become. So don't. Don't feel as though you need to judge any of this part be any part of this process and say, oh, should that be happening or not?

What's happening is what happens. And you understand what happens, then you can use your intention your traditional intent to begin to make changes in the way things happen. So why by recognizing what's going on in your mind and by recognizing that there is a part of your conscious awareness, that Allowing you to do that. You're you're now in position to use that. You become the aware or at person don't worry about these movements and attention away from the meditation object. There main thing is to capture those movements the where the attention jumps over to something and stays there for a while starts to get involved at.

Because if you can recognize that before you forgotten what you were doing, you won't get lost. Will stay in the present was s alert and just bring the stuff back. So we're on eliminating those big jobs and let left let the little flicker and attention elsewhere going ahead and happened on their own. There's a terminology for Okay? When would your mind... When your attention goes to something other than your meditation object. But you haven't forgotten what you're doing. And you're still aware of the meditation object.

It's just... It's now in the background and the so thing yes focus. Then we'll call that thing that your attention is gone to but gross to distracted. Yeah. When you bring your attention back, that distraction if it's still present in the background, it's now a subtle distraction. One more amongst. You've notice that at any given time, there are many subtle distractions and to be present. So the first thing that you want to do is becomes skill at recognizing when there is a growth action and bringing your mind back immediately.

And don't worry about the subtle distractions. Let be there. Does a matter like it's helpful for dental to be there. Because the fact that they are there in consciousness going to contribute to the state or alert that you're. When you get to the point and this is the fourth stage and the cam stages, when you get to the point where your attention rarely goes in a taxes to something else in a significant can't right. Dan that's the time to start being concerned about these smaller that's attention every.

When you when you can't keep that from keep does big movements that were stay stuck there for a little while. Overcome that problem first. Before you worry about, those rapid movements of attention or the presence of those just other distractions in the background, just left bleed. I think that's least up all the time of the questions. So if you'd like to make yourself comfortable set. And Invite me to from Join me and beside the i'm dollar. This is a little reflection on who and what we are in this world we're here.

And you can use it to what you're mind in a nice state to begin for meditation so.

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