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TCMC 26 May 2011 (Part 1)


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So they might have anything that you'd like to talk about connection of navigation practice. We have At least one person here who's not to language english. This is this is usually a time we talk about the practice. Well, we try to make it that time. We talked about angela next too. That's the idea So I'm inviting questions or comments what? Somebody thank you, sandra. Sort of need to microphone microsoft. And i I think my voice is a little bit weak? No. I just try to fix that thing over the weekend.

Oh, too. Yeah. I wanna make... I just wanna make sure that hopefully, it's not anymore hopefully what's connection super me. Okay. Yeah. Sounds lot better. I. Not sure There was a question, someone asked me for your teaching schedule will be here at Tc in the summer if you know. That is a very good question. That's why I think that i need to post and the summer things tend to slow down a lot. So I'll be coming approximately every other week. And I I have a calendar Friday. I'll be next Thursday.

Them, next Friday morning i'm find to Lara. And I'll be there for a week. And so I won't be here to weeks tonight. And Haven't spoken to Brian Shelley like anyone else to see if they want to. To to do the meditation to but then let's copy back the thirsty after that, and then it'll be approximately every second Thursday over the summer. So I can i'll get I'll get that on the calendar on the website. And then we'll maybe put that information out. Yeah I think it's correct until I'm not sure it's every other Thursday, but I definitely know it's updated, like, through odd a little and after Okay.

That but it is it is on. So... Okay. Good. Thank you. Yes. So it's a least up to date for the next few weeks. But I I can see where he I i out the exact schedule. So. I have selected a topic for the teaching treatment in October. And I'm going to talk with that nine four. Right hear. How you practice it? How long why you lose it? And especially how it works. Save the word again? Mindfulness. Mindful awareness. Jacob. What's that... This this the time? The speaker of the speaker is not. You turn to volume down because maybe it was a little allowed to start with me so i signed up?

How does this sound back there?? Level on your. Talk. Can adjust. Okay. Alright Okay. How does that sound now? I out sitting down. I sound good. Thank you. Yeah. So I over the probably many years I tried to make it really clear that. Distinctions between insight and san. Are much overblown and distinctions between concentration practice and inside practice. Or mostly ill. And so in a number of ways I've been trying get... Weave that understanding. For you. And so yeah I decided that the time was right having just considering that we we do know that three three the teacher shade on Genres in January.

I think retreat mindfulness is gonna be appropriate for october. So just recently decided that. Alright. That's October fourteenth fifteen and sixteen. Here. Yes. Air t c c. Josh? I... This is not a new question, but I still struggle with that. The time... The length of medication. There are so many different teaching and I say it's better to it several times a day like ten twenty minutes instead of one sitting for me personally, it works that way. And I need to chew up I should force myself. This is longer when I when I feel so good with that clean day and even doing settle?

Well yes. There are different opinions. No I have my own. So I think the best thing i could do is is explain why I have the opinion that I do. And then you can listen to different opinions formula your. But I would strongly I've med. You tried different things out and you test. Now, my experience is that when you sit down to Medicaid, that you're changing the way that your mind functions as compared to weight normally really doubt. And that doesn't happen against instantaneous. And so it takes a time and a low effort.

Before you come to point in your meditation, where you could say here yourself. Yes my mind is definitely functioning differently than it did. When I was walking down the street. Right and that's a progressive price. The longer you sit, the greater the potential for exercising the faculties of your mind in a different way than what you usually do. Now what mitigate against that is, of course that you're sitting down to you're using your mind, not in a grossly different way Actually the differences are actually fairly subtle.

You're using your mind in a different way than you usually do and to do something different. Takes a certain out of energy. And so you will... I think what everyone experiences, they sit down to Medicaid. It takes a certain amount of time to make that transition from you're ordinary everything's stayed in line to the degree of focus and mindfulness us that you're working towards. And of course, had you go along that will happen quickly more easily Subject, of course to everything else this gone.

What you find them, having made that transition and now you are you're meditating And then you'll reach a certain point where it becomes harder to sustain meditation. Other things began to interfere with that. So at that point, it's very easy to say, well, okay. This is a good place to stop. And then if I come back, you know, safe that happens at half an hour. And let's say you sat down. And it takes you five minutes to get into a good date. And then by about twenty five minutes or half an hour, you noticed that that started deteriorate.

You say, well, okay. The best thing for me. Would be to go and to get up now. Do something else and I'll kinda back later today. I i'll write to take it again. And so I'll have two twenty five minute blocks, a pretty good meditation practice. There's nothing wrong with there. Okay? In itself, That's good. And sometimes, sometimes that might be the best thing for. But The thing is that if you sit there longer, do you extend that to forty minutes and forty five minutes. Two things will happen. You'll have the...

Of course, the ability to sustain the with quality you associated with meditation. Those will improve. The other thing that's gonna happen is you're going to the state your mind hand enters into it is going to go further than i did before not just longer. But it's it's going to go some place. So my opinion on this particular question, I I've kind of settled on the number forty five minutes. Trying to reach a point where you can do a forty five minutes sentence. And that's kind of compromise for my point of view.

Because I I always used to regard an hour has sort of, you know, minimum loan time to do same practice an hour. And so a little bit of a compromise on our guy say, well, okay. You can do a lot of really good work in forty five times. So I'd be client to tell somebody medicaid for forty five minutes to an hour. And if it's possible within your your lifestyle schedule all the other demands on your time and energy to do more than that. Then try to add another period how... You know, I'm try to go for two forty on that periods.

But If you if you choose to meditate for twenty minutes twice a day, you're gonna get a lot of benefit from now. There will be some point though where if you're really paying attention to what happening, the questions should come in your mind well. What would happen if I tried meditating longer, and then you should do that. Have. I'm attending my space address in the Sr reduction class. Yes. And and they said something that this is not the first time I've heard this that it's not necessarily the length of time.

It's frequency see as you sell. Well, this there is truth in that. That doesn't what you mean by frequency. You know, like every day is really good. Twice the date is even better. But there is a factor as I've just been saying, the length of time you said at one time, he is a factor. And sooner or later, you'll get to the point where you benefit from a longer set. What you... What happens very common. People have been meditating for some time is that they will begin sitting longer. People who go into a longer treat.

By line. I don't mean three months, I mean, you know, two each, three weeks. The experienced medi will very, very common end up meditating two or three hours at a sip. And this this is because there is something point, obviously evident to be gained from these longer sets. But that doesn't take away the fact that frequency is really important. And you're better off sitting several times for for twenty minutes rather than once for twenty minutes. Right? So so both those things both have their advantages.

But there is. There is an important part of the experience that you're not going to be able to get. Unless you gave yourself a chance to. To go further. Yes. But I was first learning about some of the science behind meditation my instructor then in the university setting really argued that we should probably themselves to about forty five minutes let ago, especially since we were beginners because he said... And I'll quote him exactly. After about forty minutes of unstructured meditation, you will begin to encounter your archaic material.

And and and then sent me back. And return with? Archaic. Okay. Yeah. The booking didn't come out. Yeah. Let's just heath think you have to ask the question, and what's wrong was out? Understand. Well sit her later, you gotta face those booking man. Or have... If you wanna change. Mh that you want any kind to change to date place, That is gonna have to happen sound unnecessarily badly. But there's other things to this too. You said this was he was addressing this as an issue for. And there is. Absolutely, especially true for beginners.

And occasionally for long term experience when there is a lot of difficulty that. There is a point of diminishing returns. There's a point we're continuing to sit there. And try to meditate is is not really of any value. And you do need to recognize what that is. Correct. There is a point beyond. Not only we're using share wheel willpower and discipline to contain pricing won't necessarily do anything beneficial. It might actually be harmful, especially if you're beginner, you force yourself to do something and that's really unpleasant.

It's gonna be really hard to bring yourself back to the cushions. It's and the more times you do that, the harder is it's going to be. So certainly, so I understand this issue of time a frequency and duration properly, you have to take into account all of these elements. No simple formula is gonna cover all of the different situations beginner versus experience metadata, you know, they're all different kinds of people, all different situations that we're in. If you're at a very stressful point in your life and you have a lot going on.

It's going to be difficult to keep your mind focused. And at some point, the pressure that is Gs it's going to become clear that this is enough of this and then you stop, but there's going to be other times, when it's just the opposite, we're sitting there for your standard period of time brings you the state of call and Clarity and the real question is, well, where could you go next if you stayed with them? So So you can't look for... Double it for a sample answer from some else. Decide for yourself.

Can be open to trying out different things. This a matter fact there's ultimately a point where frequency of duration are meaningless. Ideally, your daily life on your meditation at some point start to merge together. So that when you get off the cushion? You're you're continuing to have control over the movements of your attention and and your ability to sustain your awareness to stay in A state of all of these different things. Become more and more part of your daily life. You practice mindfulness in your interactions with other people.

You sat on cushion earlier today, maybe. And at that time, you were being intros aware of the activities in the states of your own mind as they changed. Now a few hours later, you're interacting with another person or other people. And that same kind of mindfulness now. Come into play. You know what's going on in your mind. But also what's going on to some degree in the minds and other people because you spent this time looking at your own mind. So now instead of taking somebody else's behavior and interpreting it without examination, you listen to the words and you look at your vehicle they're behavior look beyond that.

You discover a whole new dimension to what's happening in the situation. When that occurs, you're also yeah. So there's some point, that you can if the more continuously mindful you are, then the the less meaningful it is to talk about frequency and duration. You know, in a retreat, your ideal on retreat, is to meditate twenty four hours a day. That's why you should try for. And those people can achieve that. A few days enter retreat, you can get to a place where you're pretty well now. Your end.

Hesitate state to run to some degree. Pretty much when I say twenty four hours, Well, maybe that doesn't happen with most people in a few days, but the more experience here are you you'll find that it overflows into sleep and dreams as well. None time for. But certainly during from the time you wake up, all the time you go to sleep, if you do that during the retreat then, how would you say how many times and for how long you take during your day it doesn't have any meeting anymore. And that's really the direction that he'd like to go in your life.

Where when you sit down on the cushion, you're meditating in a particular way and perhaps achieving a greater depth of concentration or certain aspects of what you're doing are more pronounced. I think on you're interacting with other people But nevertheless that content is there. So if you take that, if you take that as a point from which you're looking at this. Okay. And step is a better than several times a day for a short period of time or once a day for a long period of time. And steps started at the other and say, okay.

We're trying get to is where I can go as deep as possible in line dedication, whatever you mean by the. I'm using the deep as an implication of project for like quality and meditation. Anyway, I'd like to go to deep this idea and I like to be able to sustain the meditation with as much depth as I can pretty much continuously. Yeah. Then both of these approaches and working towards the same end, whether you're meditating many short periods time part are one or two long periods of time but longer.

You're moving in the same direction. And judge for yourself be on the lookout for the point of diminishing returns. And That doesn't mean you quit in you your wife's Tv. I it can't mean that hub afternoon do some walking meditation. Or could be that you go about some of your ordinary day activities to try to use it in in take a state. But when you realize it's city here with your eyes closed, is things are not getting any better. As a matter of fact they're hitting noticeably worse minute. It's time to change It's time to do something.

And you're the best judge of that, not anybody else that you. And there are also times when you know, if your meditation is going well, and it's possible to continue. Why how continue? Why my stuff where you are? If you find that happening very often, then I would say that's the time you should say, okay. I've been meditating for this long each time. This this is happening off. I think I should try extending my meditation period. So Realized I have let him scare me until. I had not realized I had let him scare me on longer meditations until today.

Well, I'm I'm sure he that really will. Go ahead. But you know what mean so easy. I realize it's all anything I say and so easily, the misunderstood understood him way the time. The result is not what I intended. So easy to happen. I'm just observing that I have been living in fear. I'm not realizing it right. Don't be afraid to that's say too long or too short. With i my money. I was instructed to meditate an hour in morning an hour in the evening and but they about such an aversion to meditation twenty.

Yes if there some external pressure peer pressure things like it to to meditate longer than is really good for you them. You tell he you need to overcome that that's not what. Any questions about medication pricing. K. Last week, you had mentioned something about different levels of meditation and said something about or buzzing sound that I was wondering if you could explain a little bit more what that is or what it could be experience and Yes. Ringing or buzzing sound in first of all is that something that you're experiencing?

I've heard a buzzing download. Yeah. You heard much. Alright. So, yes. There is i have a point in your meditation practice. Where your concentration is good you it's very little distraction. And is and typically, at that point, there some unusual sensory on of the right. And one of them is reading bus cars. Another one that happens is seeing the light, sometimes a bright point point, sometimes it it takes different forms. But it's it's it's a light. Sometimes this is though somebody shining a flashlight their clothes eye.

There's also sensations that you feel. In your body, unusual sensations of tingling laying, energy movements, cold pain, get pleasure z and things like that. And any of those can happen to any person occasionally unexpectedly. And when that happens, it needs nothing at off really. When it begins to happen consistently and when more than one of these things, is arising at the same time. That's a very very positive of sign. Whatever you've been doing in your meditation, you know, is creating the causes and conditions for potentially change in the way your nervous system and your mind work.

And those are those things are not as any particular significance and of themselves. But they're very good indicators of change taking place. And it's a change that's associated with concentration and unification in line. Okay. So when when any of those things happens on an isolated occasion, just, you know, just let it be there and and don't don't make too much about it. If it starts happening more frequently, Then what I would really recommend is you reflect on what you might be doing differently in your meditation when those things arise.

You know, it it's gonna it's a subtle internal thing. What am I doing different? What is quality of my meditation. What planning through aware of. And what's happening i mind, how's my change things like that. Because these will serve as clues, very direct clues to your own subject to state. As to that that you can use to guide you and improve quality of your medication. If you become sensitive to that then you can you can improve your meditation noticeably. Want me to look at this is everything that happens to you.

In outside medication. Is a result of causes and conditions. When something happens and meditation that's distinctive, and you have done something to create the causes and conditions for that happen. If it's a desirable thing, you know, in this case, it's not something you would necessarily have known was desirable hygiene not have. But if it's a desirable thing, you want to recognize what it is that you did to create because the conditions study that you repeat it. If it's an undesirable thing. for example, if you start to find in your medication and that you're having restless or education or or or something like that?

Right. Then the same thing you wanna kind and say okay. What what is it that I'm doing is creating the causes conditions for that account?

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