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TCMC 16 September Part I, Q&A – Popularizing Meditation

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I it's existing need a conversation. Mh. About using mindfulness training that help the soldiers avoid deep steve, Ptsd and and in the medication community, there seems to be some concerned about teaching soldiers, mindfulness training because if might become better gill. Right. Well. And I'd like to hear what he guys say about. That's something I've never really thought about before. Mindfulness is training, does make us more effective shade whatever it is so we're doing. At least to the extent that what we're doing involves those particularly particular faculties of mine that we've hoped today negotiation.

And definitely, i I can see that that that would produce some improvement. But, you know, it seems to be that the affected no so some have the soldiers ability to kill other soldiers is far more related to the the technology and the weapons that he has and the physical training of his body ability to use those. I think a soldier with a lot of mindfulness. Might be a more effective soldier? Yes. And that would mean a lot of things person would mean that yeah particularly circumstances he might be more effective at the active feeling, but I think they awful a lot of of the soldiers time and activity and more it's not actually engaged in the active killer.

A lot of it is surviving. I think, soldiers treatment and mindfulness might a much better steve survivors. And then there's the whole issue of Judgment. I think Soul through with mindfulness is training. Might use better judgment in every situation. So that would improve their survival. That would improve their ability to health their fellow survive by the members of they some different circumstances. I think it would help them not to, you know, things like casualties move friendly fire, and collateral damage where civilians and and people who non combat are are injured.

So I think that I think that mindfulness would have a lot of positive benefits. It may make somebody more in in terms of making soldier more effective, it may marginally increase their effectiveness and in that accurate killing or. I think it would have a whole lot of other effects As a matter of fact, if a soldier practiced enough michael that's right sight not we shoulder time. So. So i'm sort of related to that to that topic is the whole area of, you know, of ethical behavior is an ethical ethical ways of living, And how how...

It's my understanding that you really cannot develop any degree of mindfulness unless you've already developed some of the ethical pre because that alleviate a lot of them. Stuff goes on in your mind. Yeah. Celebrate. If that you do go to together very much. I mean, you could ask the similar question with If we teach mindfulness and the prisons, are we creating more effective criminals which because when they get out? You know, add to a certain degree to some very slight degree. That might happen.

You know, somebody who a lot in vision and don't else if in the process of know grouping has their network faculties to some degree, they didn't. Achieve any the insights, and they didn't practice any c or virtue. Then maybe they would be... Maybe it would be a more effective burglar because know, they're more alert than like, you know, let's They're less emotional. Or maybe they be a better thought that. I don't know. That it just it seems like on the whole On the old positive benefits they are more likely if they're not gonna do those major things.

I don't think we need to. I don't think check about that. I think that. No. It if we get somehow convinced but military to train all of those soldiers in mindfulness that's because they leave everything make. I think we we really... That would be very positive. And the next step would be get all the political leaders to create the situation where of the sense we work. Just send it back the mic mh. Interesting hypothetical question. I'd love to test it by saying a lot of soldiers priceless medication.

Okay. But she's... I think what she's said they are good. They are Oh, Okay. Yeah. There's could big study out of Leaders university with Pennsylvania. The funds invited partner the defense to change the finance. Yeah. That's a good question. Because I'm I'm sure they're not measuring their effectiveness by measuring. However do they are killer? No. They're measuring the mind. They're measuring the effectiveness of. Yeah. But yeah. I think that's really good didn't it. It will make some better soldiers and better shoulders.

Make sure save that cause less collateral damage dimension. She repairs least new friendly fired less probably a lot less problems afterwards you when they when may come back combat. Thing. So I think that's a really good thing. I'm glad hear. So I know. But do of thing? This is that mainly a question of what context to science question. When when you... When you keep deborah we're saying about the ethics and the values what are to it. I mean, you cannot And then it it absolutely is a detrimental to what they what they do in in impulsive ways.

We know that that would be way much just that's the opposite of weighing. Which On the other hand. I don't know if any of you know anything about sniper training in the that was right. Right. It's an intensive concentration thing. Yeah. With there's all of contacts. But that's it's completely Yeah. It's context. There's completely divorced from anything except that particular child. I you think somebody had that kind of training me a favor. To take that medication, We probably very be very successful of it.

And I would expect that as a result of their success in meditation, their valued yeah. But really that I was hope we're trying More people. You it's. I I'd have this scope that more people will be enough greater interest in meditation in the world. And the statute but rodent the whole. Enough really interested meditation. We're we really popular, you know, more popular than Leo yoga. Or like, through computer, just. And and I I do believe it will have a beneficial effect that as people's minds work better, Well, mind better can produce a better kind of result.

And so for people whose minds were better when they confront all of the different biblical difficult situations that just inevitably happen in the course of life and so of these situations are the the ones that trigger violence and prime and unethical behaviors exploitation and know. It it seems like that it seems to me, like, That would all decrease. You because they having transcription effect on that. I just don't know yet. How how we go about making something like this as popular as know computer names, or television?

You answer. Yeah well yeah. Just your story. You know, the asking. Late twenties. Yep. He's probably we me model in my house it comes on and sundays his. And he gets broke my slow three times. Okay. By turning that true hard. It's step the chain. And We've had some very interesting conversations over the months that he's been coming. Yeah. I could convinced him. Try attention just simple focusing on the brand. So that he would stop breaking my file And he's he's driving get me. Well, and and, you know, in terms of an approach to young people, how you've been encouraged them to meditate?

I I think I think that is the way that you have to do it. You have to see there has to be something that it's happening in their lives that you can suggest to would cr. But i that period your time before any recruitment happens with it requires it. Mh. The diligence and, yeah, and the consistency be able to get there. But you know this is something that... I I think about Where are all the young negotiators? I it's it's it's wonderful, but there are so many people that were depending on your age, but a lot of us are...

We're probably strongly influenced by things that on and sixties and then the sudden days and even at typically early eighties to create our interest in meditation. You know, And then some of you are are younger than next generation. But it does seem that in a when I go to meditation and retreats and things like that. There's a lot more of the older people the issue the younger people I just... I I wish we knew a way to to change that. You know often in yoga classes, especially kind Yoga clauses, there are a lot of young people.

And they, you know, at the end of the class, they at least meditate for five minutes three to five minutes. And so, like, that's a getting that's that's a process. So it does happen. I don't know. Every every once in a while. I thought we need to recruit at the yoga centers. Yep that's a natural, you, place that that people get interested in meditation and move from there. But seems like I was thinking like the hundred monkey, you know, the story a hundred smoking. And if there's, like, a certain Number of people in the United States were meditating something will something will crystallize and shift.

I don't know if that's true. But I like to think about it. That's right. It's a good. That was that that was har the he idea. Right? If you get certain critical number of people who are meditating to a certain level that it will affect all the other people ever even heard that station start behaving me. K. There's a little bit of research about teaching students in milk medicaid and how affects their attention and, you know, women's and other factors that that starting have I know someone these codes and and I know my husband and we know trying to speak his here and tucson and in mil pasta.

And so I think during the school in the nice place where kind of systematically getting students involved in learning to be a kind of normalizing. I think that's... Yeah. That would be screen up as as was cool. But it also I think probably academics. Is an area where young people have a motivation, not all of them, unfortunately, but some of them have the motivation to improve. Their academic performance. And I think that's one of the areas where meditation produces a a subjective appreciable result in a fairly short period of time.

So how come all the university students are grades? That's right. Well, We're happy we'll have to from other. There's some way we could type the Internet because to reach me for where a lot of young people That is true. Yes. Especially social networks and things like that. And Well, we I feel like we have figured out how to do this. We, you know, can't talk about it. We have to really seriously. Because I I don't know what you think. But I think I think that This is the best solution we have to a very, very serious situation that is developing by really up.

And I think as a solution, meditation and the sorts of insights and understanding kind of meditation. Cut right to the core of the problem. Of of what has created the difficulties that it's exist in the world to today. And so you know, we can... We can hope that things keep going on more or less the way they are or as long as we wear, which is kind of the selfish view and probably more short i that we realized. But when I... When I look at the world and the direction is not there's a huge amount of suffering kind of.

That is so much suffering on the Verizon. And so much pain. I just... There must be something that we can that we can do. Nice. That's right here, but and and I'm so happy that you're here, but we need to get a hold bunch sure people here too now doing the same thing. I think we really do. I'm not suggesting it's the only solution. There's a whole lot of other things that have to happen as well, But at a moment, What I see is I see a population of people who are afraid and out of their fear, they may not even consciously know what they're afraid that.

I don't think they do. But out of there fear, they're they're trying to go backwards in time to about past but never even really existed, but looked more secure and safer than it does now. And they're going with. I see racism coming up. I see all the kinds of intolerance coming out. I see incredible selfish and some said was coming out, you know, I see a lot of aggression. I see a total loss of the values associated with truth and honesty and integrity. And I see all of that coming out of this enormous sphere of the future.

And a a desperate attempt by people who really have, you know, they they don't have the clarity of mine. So in their desperation, they're they're trying to move backwards to what to them scene. It seems to be a safer and worse if secure way with things to be. But, you know, it's like I don't even know how many people are in the world anymore. You know, I how many people are in the world? Nowadays is. It's it's it's some it's number of billions that just... Me see. It was four and then it was five and I don't know if it's still six i seven.

Six point three six point million. And yet, there's people out there, but they wanna close some borders like somehow they're gonna shut out the other six billion people, so the point three billion people here are are going to not have to in confront the difficulties that Go there. It's just... It's something gonna to happen. It's just it's it's like an ostrich sticking that haven't in the end. So. And all it does is aggregate the situation and create more pain than it needs to be. But Right. Anyway.

I'm getting carried away. But I I I I do really see that there is a a great situation and that it is people like us, people like and people like me. That are in a much better position than most of most of our fellow citizens out there to see and appreciate the nature of the situation and the kinds of solutions that are necessary and But we need a whole lot of other people to see and understand the same thing. Alright. Or we're not gonna really have any effect. So So anyway, something pressure to think about.

Do you don't really do you know when other people that you can get interested in meditation start bringing them fear but brain are instructing them yourself. I I think it really is more on an individual level where it can be successful. I was involved for quite a few years in Tucson in getting... My couldn't call like yoga or a meditation. Mh. We had to call it. Concentration and focusing into the public schools. And it was the teachers are very happy with it and a lot of them started doing it and there are a lot of books about it.

But there's issues bureaucracy there of education and you can make slight inroads, but to do something in a big way. And then also, we have a project here in Tucson. Called May, meditation in yoga, and it was yoga teachers and meditation teachers who went into the federal and the state prison. For about two years. And then again, it was does senior know, bureaucracy that they when he... That, you know, they stopped in it wouldn't let people in. So... And you can work on both levels, you know, trying to do something over, but I really think often it is just one person to one person.

I have friends who I've talked to their children about what he is and shows them little ke meditations. And there are some traditions who having for with families and children. And one of them is Hon, for example. K. All of this retreats and the song here in Has a children's son. That meets up with the parents are me. So there there are there are little things. And unfortunately, I think maybe things have to get better worse get worse before people will pay attention and realize that there you know, they'll reach out for some...

That coverage. Yeah. But you said that you saw in the future then there was gonna be more suffering that why in some ways that has to come before people will awaken. And and reach out for something that can do. So I know and my own life that's why I came to yoga and meditation. You know, things got so painful in my life that I said, there's gotten something out there but can help me with this. And that's what pushed me practice. And maybe that's what will happen. Here's that. However, you look at Countries though, like India and China to bet who had this beautiful tradition embedded in the context of their culture.

And you yet Vietnam and you see what has happened with the tradition was there. So i'm. Well, that's something thing that maybe we can talk about after meditate years but you might call the American tradition. Whether you call American Buddhism or just be american traditionally? We can learn a lot from what's happened in other the countries and the way things it works there. And something... And whatever happens here it's going to be very, very different than what has happened in the past and on all of these other.

Buddhist dispatch and page batteries. And it's already happening, of course. But the one thing that you know sure is is going to be very, very different. Saying that's every talking but both got a lot of reason. A good topic because I know after you say. I'm not servicing. We're talking about consciousness before. We'll get back to that. I make that part that.

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