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TCMC 20 May 2010, Part II On Dullness, Citta Theory

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I talking about Don earlier. I I made no distinction between but called subtle on this and the strong dull, which is sleek. And so there's really to fairly distinct kinds of da. So I think what was well we time got earlier, I I think but Adam was referring to the strong form of delta that is... As you beginning to descend it to sleep becoming dr. And you say that you're not sure if you have encountered that. Yet. That's possible that you haven't. And Some people seem to be more prone to it than others Yeah.

Well well, is nodding enough the jazz is that's that's this the strong about miss. But there is a son form thomas us. And that's which cell typically becomes strong bones. But sometimes it does... Sometimes several dollars can just remain just be sustained that particular your. So you do have to come recognize it and add over overcome it. Alright The... Well, it's... I let me just say a little bit more about strong dull, and then you can... And and then I can talk about the kind of sustain several donuts.

You I think everybody has time another pay attention to what happens to themselves when i become dr sleepy. Right? So do you know that whatever you happen to be paying attention to, becomes unclear. You lose clarity, and over time, you no longer following the thread of what's happening. Whether you're driving that car or watching a television program or leading a page in a book or, you know, whatever it is. With the with the onset of sleep has, what area it is with loses its clarity. And then something else happens, it begins to be distorted and well, there's the loss of clarity is itself distortion.

But the other thing is very distinctive as dull is is development. Is that your mind begins to make associations that are they're more free random associations. So you know, if you're watching your breath, your mind will associate that pattern with with waves, for example. Or or anything else that you can think of that somehow resembles and one way or another the pattern of of what you're experiencing. You know, different forms. Like first of the relationship between waves and breadth is an obvious one.

So you might start to have this distortion like your rear or boat your hearing ways the c shore or something like that. On the other hand you've might ben practicing in trying to notice some distinct point in the cycle of the breath. And so the the association your mind makes might people with some other periodic phenomenon that has some some distinct element to it, you know, right. Could be auditory visual or anything else like that. Start looking for the beginning and the end of the breath can be become like it can take on this sort of dream like any an imagery that you're looking at sitting all lights flashing head augmentation.

Something So your mind is making association. Of course this happens when you're following asleep too. This happens when you're dreaming. What you dream. The mine rather than gets usual sort of linear on logical rule following way of of following a process or constructing something, starts to do it in a more lateral way. But this resembles that, you know, the a is to be see is the be kind of thing. And you come up with all these really weird dream like images that have some vague resemblance to what whatever was you're paying attention to, whether they're really not it at all.

They're very follow on. This is Prominent in Dreams. Is it tom just as we following next sleep. And this is Confident on you sitting and meditation and thomas begins to develop. When you're following to asleep, these images that come these weird distorted images, dream like damages, those are called hit na ga. Images. Other just means that they happen as you're following asleep, yep. And the other part of that is when you have the distorted images when you wake up in the morning that like the remnants of your process, listen it All hit the pop.

You know, not that you care about these words. But. Yeah. Then what it? That is the counterpart part when you're waking up when you also have jai like. And actually, I mean, you're waking up is more likely to feel like pieces of your dream being carried over into the process of waking. So, you know, you may open your eyes momentarily glance at the clock, You know, but you're still partly germ remain in there. So it's all the way up. Yes. Yeah. Good thing. And these words are important. But what's significant is that in the transition from being?

Fully normally a way to being asleep, we have the same kind of thing going on and our minds and we do and dreams. Which is the mind far more on the basis of associations and resemblance and similarities keys have and correspondence and pattern, which means been others. So so your mind is reminded by this pattern of some other pattern and then exposes the tip. And of course, in dreams it will make a little story around that when you just... When you sitting in meditation, it doesn't necessarily do that.

But if it does, what it means is you starting to get even more deeply into the the... Yeah. State of all that you're moving towards actually following a asleep. And only thing that don't notice when you're following asleep, is that your thoughts lose their coherent. That lose their threats. Right? At course that's away, there was in dreamy stands this too. You know, you're one place talking to one person and you turn around and you're totally different place which it doesn't have that c appearance.

And another thing that happens when you're following asleep, once again it's similar to a drink. And that also happens when here the loan gel comes on in meditation is that there are gaps in your short term memory. You know, if you're in the middle of the thought when you're falling asleep, you you have the end of the thought, because you can't remember what the beginning? That stating? Yeah. Right. And, you know, you'll have the same thing okay when dull is coming out their meditation, it's like all of a sudden you're you're aware of the sensation, but you don't know where you are in the cycle you don't know breath or or beginning or again?

And then very quickly, your mind puts it all together. It's the same thing. There's these a gaps, little short circuits that, you know, need lose continuity and the connection. So what we have about Douglas is actually very directly related to what happens in the process of following to asleep and then and and and dreaming me. Down So that's... And that str dogs. The strong down down comes on. Do you're find they the fuzzy of perception. It's not very clear. Feeling of heading as syncing, which is why what happens on your following.

Distorted hip and kind of imagery that which can. And involve your meditation object but then a keep studying sideways though it's totally unrecognizable. The gaps and your ability, you know, the little these the little mini short circuits or gaps in your awareness so underground. It's all the same process. So you know, child dull is just like falling asleep. Probably involves exactly the same things happening that in your brain. That's exactly what they policy asleep. Yes. Age describing, It's really familiar.

Like tonight. When I was focusing on my breath as for medication. Mh. I swim and you know, the getting breath and then blowing it out in the water and my line went to that. Yes. And then my mind went to just Loading. Wondering. Do you have a suggestion of or mother medication. Now. But you drive a very typical difficult time. This this is exactly how this dull manifest. You don't need a different meditation I just wouldn't do any good. You say your mind would behave the same way with anything that returning that say.

Has it as it starts to undergo these changes, you know, it's going to do the same thing and that's a perfect example. Yeah. You can see you can see the associations that breathing why we swimming and the motion of sun and other the water. And that's the other thing about dull is it has this this very soft warm comfortable and inviting feeling to. And and that's one of the things that didn't actually talking about dealing with all this earlier, but, you know, you have this feeling, you'd much rather surrendered with douglass.

Then to call yourself out of it. When you close yourself out of it, it's all it's shocking it's painful. It's know it's Like doc cold water or here there's something. Right? It's don't really wanna do that. So what was happening here is you were your your body was putting all these associations together and with stopped floating, comfortable, everything. That's exactly how it. Now what you want to do, that's a classic example of douglas coming on. What you want to do is As soon as you recognize it, find away wake yourself file.

Just it doesn't matter meditation object is not has nothing to do. Step. Your brain is starting to put it soft to sleep. So what you need to do is wave yourself up. And that's what I was talking about there that. And there there are different things which I won't go into a lot of details on, but punching your muscles taking deep breaths, if you need to stand out meditate standing up, because you need to throw photographs from splash cold water phase goes sit down again. Now whatever you need to do, but break socks up and do this as many times as you need to go until you've conditioned your your brain and your mind to to to stop doing that for the loss.

Okay? That's that's a very good example. Now, most of the time, people don't necessarily recognize douglas at that states. And here's a very interesting thing. How noticing dull of the space that I described, requires is a heightened degree of awareness. When people began to meditate, they go through that, but they don't realize they dull us until they experience descent large. Muscles loose. This is also part of going to sleep visit all your your posture muscles who their up. And so the body gradually sinks down.

And then at some point, what happens is it starts to move and stretch muscle There's something other the muscle stretch fights to stretch. Also, you know, like when you hit it hit the temp and the knee, the leg kicks up. That's a muscle structure effect. And that's what the Zen works. You've actually reached the point and falling asleep that now the motor systems in your body are all inhibited and your body goes like that, then it stretches a muscle. The the stretch reflex happens with the spinal cord of office.

So it doesn't matter that at this level, everything everything's been shut up. Stretch like what what happened. When the stretch reflex happens, the zen wakes you up and said oh, I was falling to asleep. Yep. And you say. So so the teacher says, okay. Try to notice the dull earlier. So now you'll notice it. Oh, yeah. Oh okay. You notice it before the She just you notice to savvy and the seat. But then... Now what's happened is you're still gone through this stage of losing clarity and h distortion.

But because you've lost memory and because you haven't change your mindfulness awareness, you didn't... If you forgot about it. You you didn't identify it as important. No party of all the different price of minds. Identified this is something important. So sort of slipped behind without he noticing. But then meditation teacher says try those the dull as soon as you can. So now i'm you're sitting there and even before you start to skype down, you start noticing, oh, well, like I'm having this little mini journey wife.

My breath just became riding a bicycle. How did that happen noticed things like that. Now you be recap to word earlier. And that you keep watching and try to me catch it early. And then you'll find that it's just... The breath just gets really distant fuzzy and and not clear. And you know that the delta is coming up. That happens before the the association distortion sort of setting. And so and then there is actually a very, very subtle stage and the dol that's where you still are aware... Especially even practicing for a while washing the breath.

You really... You keep come to really recognize all of the different stages of the breast like on the way those sensations vanish manifest. And so they're still all there. And you're still aware of them. But you just you come to realize it. They don't have the same vivid that they did before. It's just a very, very slightly focused. And that is that is the onset thought. That. So subtle is these early stages and as it... Usually, it's a progression. Starts off settled on list and then it gets stronger it's stronger or, you know, to right through the dr and box.

So what? There is a certain point that you can become sustained at. Or actually there's a certain range in the early dollar, which can't be sustain. You can... For example, we're... Everything is still present in your observation or the breath. But it's just it's like a little bit from a distance and maybe just a little bit out of focus. Like, it's a very relaxed perception. You know what I mean we experience that. Just it's very like that can be sustained. And that's actually if you have a lot going in in your mind, that's a good place to be.

Because if you try to focus this in on the breath you tightly, then you're more likely to... If... And there's a lot of flops taking place you're more likely to be caught by one of them and and, you know, it just makes you mind even more agitated, maybe the producers are trying to focus too close can produce some monkey vinyl her mind just starts getting more and more hyper and agitated and it splits over this for a moment that let's over to that and drives all of this and it comes back. And you know, you're not losing the breath, but You can just feel your mind is getting it less and less stable.

When that happens, if you can just back away let go just a little bit out of focus and stay there, then it becomes much easier, you don't have so much monkey mind, things like that. So that's the state settled on this. It can be useful. You can sustain the dull where it can becomes a little bit stronger as well. Where it starts to feel very comfortable. I want you'll notice at that point, not only is the breath now kind of distant and our focus, steve mind starting to get real quiet is not nearly as many, you know, thoughts and other sensations.

Yeah this is where it becomes very deceptive because you said, oh, I feel really good at it and. My mind staying right. I don't know meditation object. I guess Wow, this must be good concentration that this is that medicaid joy he talks about. Not really. Well, it's good concentration but is concentration supported by Dull. Because as your mind comes more and more dull, there's less it has less than less capacity to entertain all these other thoughts in sensation. And so, yeah, your bond gets quieter i quieter as you start to fall asleep.

So that can be sustained. And usually, that level of sun illness is not... Well, if your mind is tending to be very agitated, you've had a lot of trouble and you can sustain that little dull without being misled by its nature for a little while. That's not a bad. And you can you can use that as doc. But we're moving into more of our risky territory. The next page is you get a little deeper in the solo doll, where the mind starts free associated? And now when you start to have these come, usually the feeling that's associated now, the pleasant has gotten the very very strong and there will be an emotional feeling like it's really a dream feel.

It's it's the feeling that these images that are arising in your mind, they're really important. It's like i'm just on the verge of understanding something. Really important. There's some significant message that just some great insight there's a doctor of hearing that you're not in here yet. Any other you had this experienced dull? Yeah. You had that experience. There is that. They recognize it from from dreams, like in in the dreams where there's something really important here have to just grasp it.

Now these images are coming up. They're the. Their association. And maybe they do have some great emperors. Knows. That's not the point. The point is that you can sustain this state. And you can become very fascinated with these images that come up. You can I think that you could probably act as a channel for other beings and spirits and the state it is exactly the state. I just did to you a lot of shamanic practices. I I learned that talked with decades ago used do shamanic practices with the jobs.

He used the drum, hand into exactly that state. And mine the begins to move into the route. And that it can bring up very interesting images. And you can even carry on conversations with the beings that that near contact with and these grounds. And that may be all that that's that may be very wonderful if i to kind of practice don't. But if you're doing meditation practice and you start have these interesting visions and images arise and not what the practice is about. All they are is you're sustaining yourself, but you're managing to sustain your brain in your mind.

On that borderline line, between the fully aroused waking state at the dream state And I strongly suspect that in our dream state, we are open to and connect can't connect with other minds other consciousness or maybe some like, you described collective unconscious or you know, there are prophetic dreams there are or dreams that they're big dreams are quite unusual features. I could be at all surprised and as a matter fact that's my personal kind research project is to learn more about that. Wouldn't be at all surprised if in the state of in the dream date, that somehow, our minds are open and receptive.

To connecting into to all kinds of an itself. And I think that's a wonderful important. But it's not what we wanna do in meditation. So what you can happen in meditation is you can get into that state suspension between the Dream state and the rightful state and began to have visions and images. And You don't wanna do it. Is that... That's that's not going to lead you where this path leads. Do that when you take a other practices. Almost one point of mine when we train in meditation is the the left brain.

So what No. What do we do with the creative mind who works on imagination and and associated images and a danger and is that separate and then from your practice or how do her do that? No. What we're trying to do is we're trying to bring, you know, to use the right side left side. We're not trying to be in some left brain logical analytical linear place. We're trying to because we're also trying to experience the whole holistic present. We what we would do is we would like to have both hemisphere of our brain, fully contributing to our conscious awareness.

And as a matter of fact, how is it that you can be aware of the mind as the mind as being where something else? Okay. It's difficult to explain unless you realize that we've actually got two lines to work with. I want to use both of them. We're not trying to be exclusively left brain analytical linear. And those are all terms which accurately describe certain functions that are predominantly developed on what. But let's remember that those words have other meanings. Okay? So when we are When we dreaming, the blind is excessively association.

Especially when we're having ordinary journeys. When we have what we called a big dream, it might be a completely detailed universe and a great span of experience, and it's all very integrated Just the way when it is when where when where weight, it fits together. But most of the time when we're sleeping and dreaming. The problem is that we're way too association. You know. And the the tea turns into a frog and your mother turns into the next neighbor. And, you know, you put something down and it disappears and you walk out the door and you're in different world This gone too far the other the direction.

So when when I save it in the hit space and dreaming, that it's we'd lost linearity, I'm not referring to that left brain linearity so as as I am. The consistency that links in some kind of meaningful way one perception to another. That that there's there's more connection between them than just a superficial resemblance of pattern. Because when your mind is just doing this pre association, you've seen those intelligence tests that have a is the d c is the d. You know, It may be all these examples.

And at first, the testing to see your ability to recognize the patterns and the similarity the patterns and some sense. But the connections themselves, even though ae is to be has has a definitely right recognizable resemblance to see is the be. You know, it may be recognizable, but it's is definitely not painful. They do that purpose on the test, because they're they're trying to trying to test one particular function out your why. So if they they... They made it meaningful then there wouldn't no whether you were answering it correct whether your mind have been able to discern the correct answer on the basis of their pattern resemblance or on the intrinsic meaning of its statements.

And that's a problem. But Big dreams are meaningful. Consistent. They have a coherent to them that are organized little dreams don't have. So what we're cultivating in meditation isn't just linearity. We're kind... That's more of a whole brain bold holistic have has it's not avoided logic good. It's not confined to watch it. It's creative. And what I signed about earlier, Let's call these kind of shamanic visionary states. I think probably well developed visionary state has much more in common with big journeys and may very well represent some sort of it's accessing some other...

What word. It's asking accessing some other access of mind as aspect of blindness ocean. And when I come down to send out out, I'll let you know what I discovery. Bye. My point is these shamanic visionary states, I'm not taking anything away from their value or their importance. But they're not what we're after in in annotation. And it is a kind of trap that you can get into if in your meditation, you start having these visionary experiences, that that that's all you want to do. It's the same thing that happens when you're meditating and you start to have is great insights center to what this means and psychological insights that this is why I am the way This is why other would people way they are.

They started out of great insights, but eventually they end up being trivia that your mind entertain its software with. You But it can be very addict. And it's the same thing as true with these these shamanic visionary positive experiences. They're not with meditation practices is about does take any away from them, but they places into there some different kind buckets. But you can get into these states and sustain them. And that's that's why I want to just point out here is that that there the subtle degrees of Dull, there some that can be sustained.

And they can they mimic single pointed this. A state of subtle all can't reduce the amount of distraction that's present in your nearby. So you feel like you're very single pointed. And it feels as almost all dull does, it feels pleasant. It feels very pleasant. And so does that's if that's president, then you can feel like... Well jesus answers just like what it says in the book. I got single point does. I know I'm feeling enjoy happy sir. Yeah. So that's that's what makes it thank you. As I said, can be useful if you're experiencing saying monkey mind if you can enter into that mild state of dull, you could suddenly it lying down.

And then you can work on brightening the energy level over lined at the gap afterwards. So I know have I paid a clear picture of sutherland and charges? Yeah. So the I don't have the merge very much. But but I do seems fairly frequently I can I can tell what on perception the breathing has is scientist this. Yes. Yes. Exactly the same technique. You just just bring yourself out. We're gonna do whatever really need to to. You know what? And and what will happen? A really important part of practicing with dull is coming to recognize dull, but what that means is you're also company to write recognize what it aims to be fully alert fully away, you know, fully present.

And you you you come to recognize the feeling that. And then what you want to do, you know, as you come to know that is When do you sit down meditate? You want the level of your awareness, to all the increase at the very least stay the same or increase But you don't want your level awareness to decrease to diminish specs. That's the develop. And so new practice towards. Being able to recognize when you start to lose your edge and to bring it back. Of course beyond that, and you got the point where as you sit in meditation your the power of your mind awareness, increases it.

And it increases like the strength of the muscle does. The more you use it, the stronger it is and the more endurance, the longer Longer you can sustain it at a kind a a higher level of our intense level level wear. And also like a not, you know, she's doing curls was a way then when do you go out in the world and you have to pick up a bag groceries, or that exactly the same check. Then it's the same way. The the power of mindful awareness that you cultivate with city when you go out in the world to interact with other people and difficult situations and so forth, you have that power mindful awareness at your disposal that's available to you.

Certain genes. And I what I'd like to do right now is to share with you a little model. It's a it's a very ancient model, but it's helpful and understanding dull. It's helpful and understanding. Distraction, both distraction and. Is helpful and understanding where the I say the power or mindful of awareness. And that is that Do you normally experience your consciousness as being continuous. Right? And you normally experienced that. You can be consciously aware of a number of things that same time.

You can be entertaining a thought listening to my voice hearing the eva cooler you know, feeling pressure in your Ankle, all at the same time. Okay. So But as a model for consciousness, let's imagine that it's made up of many discrete moments of consciousness. Each one is very small. And that the reason that they appear to be continuous is that they are so small. They're like the the the frames on a movie projector, they go buy so quickly that we're not aware of the gaps between So think of your over period of a minute as being a very, very large number, a very small moments of consciousness.

Sort of, like the beats on this model. Now, is each moment consciousness consciousness arises, and it either takes an object or doesn't. And then consciousness passes a way. And then the next moment of consciousness arises. And you taste an object or a doesn't. And then the next one. Next one so forth. And so they like the frame and be. Got the picture. Okay. Now I said they to take an object or they don't. And in this model, which is a very ancient one. They described these as either receiving are not perceived in moments of consciousness.

So you got two kinds. Okay. Now, In a period of time, let's say this is a period of... Change my fingers is a period of thirty seconds. You have to imagine making more deeds on i all than the rear are. But it's interval of time. Okay. Now, there can be scattered in this part of you non perceiving moments of consciousness, and they won't be notice as long as there's not too many of them together then in row. Okay. So for example, every fifth d could represent a not proceed getting bone. And you wouldn't really notice something.

But if there are five beats in a row that were non proceeding moments consciousness, it might produce a an effect that he would be aware of. Okay? Now, also in the spine editable interval, some of these moments of consciousness lightly taking a thought process you're having as object. So maybe you're thinking about what you're going to have to eat when you get home and if this guy ever shuts up. Yeah. And And at the same time, you're listening to what I'm saying and you're hearing the eva cooler and your feeling the depression which means it in the standard world here, some of these moments of consciousness you're taking your thought as object.

Some of them are taking My words is object. So taking at signs object, taking widely sensations after. Which gives the impression in this of time of being aware of all of these things at the same time. Okay. And what does need to say that we keep our breath at the focal point of our awareness while in the periphery of our awareness spots come in go sensations come to sounds scottsdale. But what that means is that The majority of the preceding moments of consciousness and this interval are on the sensations of breath.

And there's enough of there's enough of those kinds of moments there that we appear to be continuously in order of the bear. But There are half of those moments of consciousness that are attending to bots and sounds and bodily sensations that we seem to be... We're kind aware of them too. They seem to be in the background of our awareness because there's fewer of these modes of consciousness that are attending to. So that's the nature of focusing the attention on one thing and having other things present at the same time and as as subtle distractions.

Yes. Just wondering if power there's different... There's different theories and versions about that. Amongst those I who never experience moments of consciousness, but it's all kinds of amazing ridiculous of dirt pepper. Okay. Amongst those who experience them in meditation. They usually give estimates that are of the order of about thirty to sixty hertz. And neuro Would suggest to you that the closest neurological portland to consciousness is and approximately forty hertz frequency that is referred to as the binding frequency interestingly enough this is where when you're proceeding something through the different sensory modalities, and the different parts of the brain involved are synchronized after forty hertz so that's called binding frequency.

So my suggestion is is probably somewhere around four knee maybe be variable, maybe in the thirty to sixty hertz screens. You know and it may possibly be subject to variation do to mcdonald's. That's probably what I told you is should totally feel theoretical. And but it's adequate, it is adequate to account for everything with the model reports to tap. Now let's go to the non preceding moments bounces. Okay? We might wonder in a normal editable interval of consciousness. How many non perceiving moments of consciousness are scattered through there?

Okay. And we might say well, When I'm in total anesthesia, it's probably pretty near to a hundred percent. And when I in the deepest stages of sleep It's probably very high percentage. As you may know, the deepest stages of sleep are not totally unconscious and even very often people are waiting from them. They will have they'll be able to report vague dream experiences. So it would seem from that. Even can sleep, it may not be white desired proportion as in. Under total anesthesia, but it's some very high proportion of non moments consciousness.

So let's just for simpler say type the say one when they're just got all non perceiving where either I thought or deeply. Okay. Well would be the other end of structure? If you examine your all experience, issue listen to the accounts of other human beings that we have the good fortune have access to. Since you say, ten thousand years ago, the only experiences is we know are are and those of our immediate neighbors who live maybe was on twenty miles. But Now, we know about experiences of all kinds of people all over the world.

And what we know. Some of you from your own experience. Maybe you've been in a very dangerous situation. And your mind has popped into a different state where it seemed like everything was happening in slow motion. And you could track you could track everything that was going on. He had those experiences. I've have those experiences. A large percentage of normal people with one time and others of had that kind of experience in that. It's going to know what your mind is capable of. So that would be like an editor where it is very very few.

The only way you can account for that degree awareness, a slowing down of time. And being able to track many different processes at once. Is you're not wasting any of these well or consciousness. They're all proceeding on there's no. So we can see there that we have in one end of the scale They're almost all not proceeding. The other end of the scale, they almost all perceiving. Moments of consciousness. Athletes stated to the zone. Baseball batteries and pictures for example, a better gets into to the zone.

Sees the entire process of of the light up and the pitch and the release and a kind of slow motion. And there is time not consciously think and process and plan, but there's time for his nervous system and his body to respond And they... Whatever microscopic fine tune adjustments need to be made to movement of the bat so it actually connects with the wall. And that athlete to do that is handed the zone. The the well known basketball say here. It that it doesn't matter. I I was too long here. He was on television he was talking about being in the zone until he was saying, you know, how do he said, When I know the court, everything is happening so slow, but it's easy for me to do what I do.

So this is the other end. We're not wasting any moments or not just. Well, looking at that scale, where would you say you are most of the time in your ordinary day life? Middle advanced stuff And sometimes less than that. And you think about it? Oh, yeah, I go through my day. Sometimes I space out. Lots of not proceeding relative nonsense. And other times, it's like I'm really present. And lots of proceeding moments not said. So you said down to Meditate That's a son. Just... I mean, we're making this up for the safer of discussion.

I don't know that it's how accurate this is. But let's Let's certainly your normal waking state consciousness and as you approach the cushion is about fifty fifty proceeding and not perceiving moments of consciousness. That's what you bring to the person. And you sit down and you begin to meditate. Alright. You can go either way. You can have more you can have the proportion of not proceed moments of consciousness increase or decrease. If you start paying attention to the sensations of graph, you start noticing exactly when the draft begins and enhanced and the begins any, how many different changes in sensation there are in the course of an breath to here starts out, cool and strong and then there's a sharp sensation and then gradually become softer and, you know, whatever it happens for you.

You might be able to distinguish four or five or six different changes in sensation and of course of an in breath. You certainly couldn't do that when you began. You've got to be recruiting in more moments of consciousness. To your per sexual awareness in order to in order to have that experience. If you keep doing that, you're gonna train the line to operate add a higher level awareness. As dull, as as you sit there and your mind starts to get bored with this and entirety of this, it might start singing into darkness.

And so as you have fewer levels of consciousness fewer perceiving moments of consciousness and more non preceding moments. The appearance of your breath becomes more distant, a little more vague, little fuzz? Not so clear. I'm is getting be more not perceiving moments of consciousness and maybe they're strung together in longer chains, which makes it a whole lot easier for some other unrelated, but similar natural to insert itself into the chain. And so Now your address gradually the kind of what's happening with your body when you're swimming.

So you see how how that happens? So if you use this moments of consciousness model. You seem you can't have a way of understanding distractions, and spoke. You can see that you can have dull and distraction at the same time. But the more focused your mind is, the fewer perceiving moments in consciousness are going to start dogs somewhere else. And the more alert at a wake you are more fully where you are. The fever of moment say not just said present. Or the non preceding kind. So we want to move in the direction of more perceiving the non preceding moments and more of those perceiving moments, the take taking the meditation object as the object of consciousness in moment.

Yes. Sounds like maybe you're saying Yes. So star might be feeling instead reeves and name this is what's happening now or thoughts. Yes. And Like. You're you're not in one of You're in different. That's right. Mh And if was like my he said that floor hurts that your mind is just really balanced and news. Is that Well, the way that we normally... If I understand what you're asking Correct. Correctly. Assuming that... Yeah. The say forty moments of consciousness per second. That our normal perceiving of a variety of things at the same time, is because some of the moments of consciousness in that series are devoted to each of those different saying.

And if they're all fairly evenly balanced, then it feels as though we're paying equal attention to all of them. Whereas if if we are focused on one of them and only aware of the others to a lesser degree, then that means that I one that there's a majority you know, not all in one block. But but more more in the whole sequence and maybe longer change of them in sequence better on that primary object. So that's why if i'm I'm all in the would peter elaine I couldn't, you know, get lost in that. Yeah.

If I can focus on, you know, I'll different right else. That's But this... I think this is a useful model. I I would want you to say that all this and be possible. This is the way to this is reality is. False. So you're... I can see where I might slow down with you're different Yeah. At least from the point view things start to Control. I don't remember. You hold remember it's sort when here know the last few seconds. So the creates of. Yes. Because if you if you think about your normal perception experience.

And I'll use the very familiar example. Of melody. Somebody plays a melody on the channel or enormous steve, you know, new with it you might take three notes or nose, but you pretty quickly recognize... Oh, that's... Yeah, and then you identify you give the name. But it's the relationship between that that allows you to identify it. Okay you could hear the same notes one at a time. Stay separated by thirty seconds you you never. It'd be impossible to figure out now. Even if the gap wasn't always thirty seconds, but the gap was proportional to... you know, I mean, So to recognize the sound of a motorcycle on the street outside is the same thing.

The individual components of the sound rice and pass away. The only way we can assemble them together to, have a recognizable construct and put the label, you know, noisy motorcycle on it. Is if the mind holds enough of them, that it can assemble together into recognizable units. And so, yeah... This is something that our minds do and it's something when you meditate, you'll discover. When you're say wait as you... The level of your mindful awareness becomes high. And if you are sitting in meditation or and meditation and you become all aware that every single cell reverb rates in your mind.

And this is where the lateral the the after one has passed away is whether you're not... Well, how was your buying to sample them together to extract meaning a meaningful pattern need before fish. Yes. Exactly. This this little theory that I gave you is when. I said it was very old. It's from whole Heavy da. Which means that what it is is it's a philosophical analysis that the Buddha teaching trying to generate a meta physics at time.

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